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Any community that lives in mortal danger should own and carry guns in This Great Nation™. When my friend transitioned, I pleaded for her to get a purse-gun—California conceal-carry laws be damned. She got some tiny Glock .22 or 9mm. Made me feel better at night that’s for sure, especially where she lives.
I want a bunch of new gun restrictions, but I’m not against gun ownership. I want required training, required gun safes, background checks, and extra strict laws around higher magazine and fire rate weapons. So while most people would describe me as “anti gun”, (I think it’s just common sense), I totally support responsible gun ownership especially if you’re in a marginalized group that is legitimately in danger.
I’m a Canadian and recently got me (non-restricted) permit. Basically let’s me have a certain variety of long-guns, no handguns, automatic, etc.
There was a required course on safe gun ownership and usage I had to take in order to get a signed paper necessary to apply for the permit (actually getting the permit has some other paperwork, criminal/mental-health check etc to fully qualify). Nothing onerous, it was done on a Saturday.
If I wanted a restricted firearm, that’s an additional and somewhat more in-depth course and check.
There are various legal stipulations for when I buy a firearm, including requirements for safe-storage/transport, whether they can be used. We don’t have carry laws. If I’m not at a range/show/etc, out hunting, or getting the firearm serviced I shouldn’t have it on me. I can’t load it until I’m on the range or at the hunting/target area. It can’t be discharged within city limits except at a range, etc.
This has all seemed pretty reasonable to me, and US style carry-culture where some dude at a Walmart night be carrying a loaded firearm frankly freaks me out, but I fully support the idea of responsible gun ownership for the purpose of target shooting, collection, or hunting.
Perhaps the gun nuts know they wouldn’t qualify for most common sense restrictions.
Or they’re concerned that the restrictions will be tailored against them on a political basis.
I’m kinda like you, but I believe it should be tiered. Kinda like how someone with a normal driver’s license can’t (or at least, isn’t supposed to) drive a big rig. If you want a belt-fed machine gun then you gotta get the license that lets you own a belt-fed machine gun, but the requirements are gonna be a lot heavier than the license that lets you own a typical break-action double-barrel shotgun.
I also think there need to be legal requirements for storage, a legal definition for what constitutes a gun box/safe (because many containers advertised for “gun storage” are extremely flimsy), and automatic charges against the gun owner in the event their firearm is used in a crime. It’s your job to make sure your kid doesn’t get your gun and shoot a school. If it happens, your ass is on the line and you’d better have a really good excuse, like your kid knocked you out, tied you up, got a blowtorch and cut through your safe.
Why not just restrict magazines and call it a day? Because my thought is that proper gun control can allow the enthusiasts still have fun with their brownings, AKs and tommyguns while still ensuring the weapons don’t fall into the wrong hands. I’m certain it’s possible to walk that line, I’ve heard Finland already has a similar system in place, where you have to be a registered collector or museum to own anything other than a basic hunting rifle (which, iirc, requires a license to begin with), yet it seems like Finland doesn’t have anywhere near the same problems as the US.
Many countries with gun control do have a tiered system. There are normally still some guns that are totally prohibited, but there are normally distinctions between hunting rifles and handguns and semi autos.
I think better checks is must have. I live in a dark blue state and, my uncle (who is a diagnosed schizophrenic to the point where he’s not allowed to have a job because he can’t tell what is real versus what the voices in his head is telling him) is able to walk a few miles down the road to the gun shop walk in and be out with any gun of his choosing in roughly 30-40 minutes, and he has done so on more than one occasion.
What’s even more obnoxious is the gun shop owner who we know as a family friend, finds it funny. I find it fucking scary.
I used to sell guns at a major gun store, but I’m also not a traditional gun salesman, as I’m super liberal.
We had a trans woman come in to buy a gun, and a bunch of the other guys at the gun counter were snickering at her.
I went up to her and talked to her about guns, where she could get training, etc. She was a former marine who had been discharged when she transitioned and was really cool. She found out that I was a trustee of a church that was super progressive and that we hosted the annual transgender day of remembrance, and she and I both had a great experience.
Turned out she’d been shunned by her church, and she was super excited to learn that there were prone who shared her faith and hobbies that weren’t bigots, and we both had a great time.
She ended up telling others about her experience, and I ended up becoming the regional gun sales guy for the transgender community, and that kinda spread into the queer community in general.
The coolest part though was how it affected the other sales guys. When she first arrived, they said they were dirty I had to deal with the freak. Then when they realized I was fine with it they’d joke about “Chilie’s new girlfriend” any time a trans person would come in.
But sometimes I’d be busy with another customer, and another salesman would end up helping them. Eventually, some of them became more open and realized that people are people.
I’d say of the 30 gun line guys, 10-12 changed his they treated queer customers throughout my time there, and a few were fine before. When I moved on, probably 3/4 were fine with it.
While those numbers aren’t amazing overall, it was a huge improvement from the 10% early on. I don’t think I’d go back to gun sales. I have a career job now and make more than triple the money with great benefits and predictable hours. But I like to think that my time behind the counter made the gun-buying experience better for customers of all kinds at that particular mega-store.
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I tell my trans and PoC friends as often as I can (without being obnoxious), now is the time. Arm yourself, get a gun or two (a long one and a short one), learn how to use them. Start networking with like-minded people in your community. Get some basic first aid training (medics really just need to know how to stabilize someone). The police will not protect us, that much has been shown; they would sooner club an old man to the ground than render aid to someone upsetting the status quo. When this country begins to fracture and fall apart, ourselves and our communities are the only things that can truly protect us.
I don’t trust myself with a gun, otherwise I’d get one.
Same, I’d just use it to kill myself.
I’m OK BTW, but do have depression. I don’t think it’s worth the risk.
100% the same feeling. Give me a gun on the wrong day and you’re lucky it’s just me.
Get a chainsaw?
This is a totally fair position. The medical training could still help, especially if you’re going to protests and things. There’s plenty of ways to be useful that don’t require being armed.
Dynamite is also an option
Respect to the SRA and Redneck Revolt.
If you want gun control, the best thing you can do is encourage marginalized communities to get lots of guns. That has always driven gun reform in the past.
I almost mentioned the Mulford Act.
Sounds like a win/win tbh, we protect ourselves or we get stronger gun laws (to protect everyone).
Those gun laws are never enforced fairly and are just a thin legal veil to justify racism and oppression of minorities. If you cared about PoC, you wouldn’t support gun control at all.
This whole debate reeks of racist white coffee-drinking liberal. 🤦 And if saying that sounds racist to you, remember what was said about the white moderate back in the 60’s.
Better to do nothing, so we can continue living in a world where minorities aren’t armed, and where racism and oppression don’t happen, right?
America has a mass shooting problem. Gun control sure seems to be an effective way to stop children from being killed in schools, and caring about children being safe doesn’t mean I don’t care about PoC.
The whole point was that A) minorities should arm themselves, which you clearly agree with and B) that IF conservatives are scared of an armed minority population and create gun control laws (which we’re all acknowledging would be intended to harm minorities), there would still be a positive effect in that children would be safer.
why do you try telling people what they care about ?
Why do you ask stupid, loaded questions?
Why are you arguing with me in bad faith?
Why are you wasting your Saturday arguing with me at all?
Are you arguing in good faith?
Wow. lol. Read my nick, I’m a different guy
No, I was asking you, but your response here tells us clearly that no, you’re not here in good faith and you’re not going to waste any more of my time. Go outside
Excuse me sir, madam, or Mx,
I happen to like my coffee with soy milk in it, and that shouldn’t be an insult.
Your opinion has been noted, I stand by my first statement.
Yeah, scratch a liberal and a pro-establishment bootlicker bleeds. 🤦
Tazer, pepper spray would be my recommendation.
I recommend against relying on taser guns. If the attacker is wearing thick or baggy clothes, or any kind of body armor, the probes won’t connect with the skin and the taser will become useless. Even with a good connection, some people just won’t be affected by the shock.
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like the bojack horseman episode where women start arming themselves and the govt puts on even stricter gun control. seems insane right? well it actually happened when the black panther party started arming themselves
its sad you even have to think about that.
I want gay, atheists to be able to protect their Marijuana with guns.
That is beautiful. I definitely need that sticker and/or T-shirt.
Hell yeah!
Be the change you want to see in the world.
I’m pretty sure that’s the default political opinion in my state lol
Username checks out.
Fair but folks may be surprised that my state is Ohio. Round here urban or rural folks are high as shit, armed to the teeth, and generally fine with gay folks
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Who’s that character, their design looks vaguely familiar.
I assume its a character from undertale or delta rune
(If you know the answer reply to the other person, not me, so they actually see the answer)
It’s North Star from Undertale Yellow :3
undertale yellow?
An INSANELY good Undertale fangame, it’s free on Game Jolt :3
Never heard of it before, I’ll check it out.
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It’s weird. I don’t think most of us actually want to shoot transphobes to death, but the sentiment behind the gift is what we’re calling based.
I do not want to get banned off this website for thresting violence. But people me in the “not most of us” camp.
A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B I’d say. Part of it I’m sure is ironic, but at the same time, the US as a country is fracturing and falling apart. Minorities should be arming themselves because when shit hits the fan, they’re gonna wish they were armed. That’s not to say that I think anyone wants it that way, but that’s the truth of it. Also sadly, trans people in the US are at high risk for violence. If you’re trans in the US, you should probably have a CCW of some form, whether it’s mace, a knife or a gun. Not that a Mossberg would fit in a purse, but having a shotgun for home defense isn’t that bad of an idea.
There’s also something kinda cute about traditional cowboy dad getting his trans daughter a gun to defend herself with. It’s somehow wholesome despite the presence of a gun and accompanying implications.
Unironic. Marx wrote about arming the proletariat, and many lefties support gun ownership in this country out of practicality, because it would be basically impossible to take guns out of the hands of citizens. There is more guns in America than people after all.
Didnt Marx also wrote about some of the leftis having their own infallible socialist thinker and getting conservative by only following him -even if he already died- and stop minding the presence?
It’s not. For being a southern cowboy dad that is a huge W for American trans people. The unfortunate reality is that guns are way too integrated into American society and culture to stop circulation. There needs to be major gun legislation and reform. So getting a gun as a gift may seem odd, but it makes sense.
Cultural significance aside, the right wing is preparing for some shit. Unfortunately, It actually is recommended for trans people to arm themselves in America right now. It’s all real fucked up now.
LAND OF THE FREE
Ironic word choice, sincere feelings for most would be my guess.
Even the screechingnest gun hating liberal American will accept that trans people should be armed these days, at least while the Nazis sure as hell are.
US Problems Ig. In Germany, we have (too) many nazis and a few gun people, but the intersection between these two group is at least not as big that non-nazis have to arm themselves. Yet.
There are smth like 20M weapons in Germany AFAIK. Hunters, police, legacy owners, farmers et al, are among those.
Wikipedia says 1 gun on 5 people in Germany vs. 6 on 5 people in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
Unfortunately in the US many trans and trans-supporting people do view guns as potentially necessary. Glorification of trans murder is common among the right-wing here and they definitely are armed.
You mean again.
Hope not.
“LOL KILL PEOPLE”
revolutions involve homicide. get real
Ain’t no revolution tho is there, get real
Self defense is a human right.
Nothing to do with anything I said. Learn to read.
You posted “lol kill people” and started complaining about trans people doing homicide about a post that is clearly about self defence. That seems to be exactly what you’re saying or you need to work on your reading comprehension.
complaining about trans people doing homicide
CITATION NEEDED
I’m going to assume you’re not trolling but at this point I think it’s a lost cause tbh
“NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE”
“if you’re having homicidal thoughts”
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I must be blind because I don’t see the word “trans” in any your quotations. Those certainly are things I wrote however. I also don’t see where I was complaining about " trans people doing homicide"
So then why post it under a thread about trans people doing self defense? Like if someone says “trans people has the right to defend themselves” and you say “NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE” and “if you’re having homicidal thoughts…” that is what you’re implying. You’re doing the classic far right troll thing where someone makes a pretty basic statement and you respond with something obtuse implying the person said something they didn’t, and then when called out just keep backtracking and pretending that’s not what you meant.
And you can’t defend yourself without a gun?
If the guy attacking you has a gun, no
everyone can determine their own need for self defence
Yes, because there’s far too many shitheads that would Matthew Shepard OOP.
If they are coming after them for something stupid like that?
So I started blasting
I don’t want to kill, but if it comes down to them or me, I always pick me.
And a face full of 00 buckshot is a pretty good tool to get the job done 🤷♂️
You have the right to kill in self defense. Many countries consider self defense from a credible threat to be just cause to kill someone.
Even those countries that don’t permit their citizens to use lethal force in self defense are hypocrites, because they will have an army and some branch of armed law enforcement.
Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people. Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision. In the US, if a transphobe poses an imminent threat to your life you DO have a legal right to kill them, in most states, laws do vary.
Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people.
They’re also much more likely to commit suicide.
Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision.
If it does mitigate that risk. It also increases the risk of suicide, though, which is already much higher than average for trans people.
That’s stating the obvious. Further, laws are not Rights nor moral guides. Killing is wrong. Attacking trans people is wrong. The folks in this thread are wrong for lusting to kill. I recommend watching some videos of actual killings and murders and see if you really want to be involved with that.
The only person lusting after anything is you, lusting after trans people remaining passive targets, and transphobes in power who are actively and openly lusting to eliminate trans people from existence.
What everyone here is doing is showing appreciation to a supportive father who understands that their child, being trans, will almost certainly need to defend themselves from that.
I recommend reading the tolerance paradox, and then maybe some history, which will teach you (if you pay any attention at all) that no oppressed people has EVER gained their freedom “peacefully”, and that you demanding it is not only the epitome of privilege, but an active support of those looking to do the eliminating.
I assure you, I’ve read through that literature for a long time. I’m concluding that I’m dealing with a bunch of angry teenagers here. I am in no way shape or form desiring that trans people remain passive targets. if you’re being attacked obviously defend yourself. again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself. This is becoming a stupid waste of my time and I am sure the FBI will keep records on all of you should you actually decide to pick up a gun and do anything about your feelings.
fwiw I think you’re being completely reasonable
again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself.
I haven’t seen that in this thread at all. All I’ve seen is people commenting on being prepared. No one should want to kill anyone, but sometimes people have the right to (which you agree with now but started saying they don’t) to defend themselves.
started saying that they don’t
CITATION NEEDED
From your top comment of this thread:
Let me say that again more broadly: NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE.
People do sometimes have the right to kill someone.
If you’re in a situation where you can justifiably kill in selfself defense, choosing inaction will not prevent your involvement with that.
No one is encouraging trans people to kill innocent people for no reason.
Also suicidal thoughts. If you want to defend yourself, there are lots of much safer methods than getting a gun.
