• zephyreks@programming.dev
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    1 year ago

    All Ukraine said is that Russia deployed 15000 men to Bakhmut and that Ukraine fighting in Bakhmut keeps them from being redeployed to the Zaporizhzhia front… Sensationalist titles, much?

    • popcap200@lemmy.ml
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      I mean he also said “Now it’s redeployed to roughly the north of Bakhmut, and that’s the place where it’s going to be buried.”

      To me it sounds like the strategy is to pin down units to prevent them redeploying, but this specific pinning is going so poorly for the Russians they have no means of escape.

      Maybe I’m misinterpreting.

  • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    It seems the Russian devaluation of human life extends to their own lives. Putin cannot be executed enough times to properly pay for his crimes against the innocent Ukranian citizens and even his own Russian conscripts.

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      If it’s any consolation it’s pretty bad to say but it might be good for humanity in the end. Half the issues they have is the lack of men caused by a previous war with a figure that Putin is trying to emulate now.

      Putin is sending more of his men to their deaths unnecessarily. Could have been avoided by not starting the war. But what’s done is done, now that it is started the men that has been liquidated will help restrict Russia in the future. They still haven’t recovered from WW2.

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        One wonders what this means in the short term for Russian people in Russia. Forget the propaganda and where they think all of the men went, what will they do when there are no more men left age 16-50?

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    Why are the Russians so desperate for Bakhmut? Just to have a win? This feels like very Verdun or Stalingrad. The city itself is fucked up from the war, it’s not that much value at that point for either side, other than symoblic victory. The Ukrainians are doing good in not as hard trying to take the city itself and rather use it as a bait to destroy Russian troops.

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        Russia is doing “strategy” by Sunk Cost Falacy.

        It’s pretty normal in authoritarian dictatorship were the only unforgivable action for the dictator is “look weak” by giving up on something that has cost a lot to get (even if it is worthless).

        It’s pretty smart of the Ukranian leadership to use this russian regime weakness against them.

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        1 year ago

        isn’t there a strategically important road near Bakhmut that becomes available if you take the area?

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          nope, I know that his was spread around everywhere by Russian sympathizers, but the reality is that Russia chose Bakhmut not because of its strategic importance but because they could supply it from both the northern and southeastern supply lines, the town is in a valley, its outside artillery range of the Russian and Ukrainian supply line Trunks, etc… what make the town special was the Russian propaganda because it was the one place they could adequately supply, and the ability of the UA forces to kill Russians in insane ratios

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      Why are the Russians so desperate for Bakhmut? Just to have a win? This feels like very Verdun or Stalingrad.

      I don’t know about Bakhmut, but holding Stalingrad had a great strategic importance. The Soviets and Nazis didn’t commit so many forces there just to hold an arbitrary village. It feels weird that you mention it as if there was no real point to it.

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    ya know… If I were in the 25th army… I’d be seriously asking myself what happened to the previous 24 armies. Granted, if i were in the russian army, things would be extremely fucked up indeed.

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    Can we just genocide the Russian army population and be done with it. C’mon Ukraine, just obliterate them. No stopping. Surrender just means “we agree not to make it difficult to shoot us”.

    Please kill Putin in particular no matter how the war ends. I just need him to be dead. Everyone needs him to be dead. Him and Un cannot be allowed to live in a civilized world.

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      You don’t genocide an army. If you blow up or shoot the entire other side’s army, without the use of nukes or chemical weapons, that’s just normal war.

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        I know. I was trying to find a way to convert the idea of not just defeating them, but literally killing every single one.