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(honestly i think tim cook wrecked the company, he’s a pure bloodless businessman, thinking only about numbers and value extraction versus innovation and changing the world, which jobs, for all his faults, objectively did)
Both capitalist pigs
I miss the old days where a macbook came with a bunch of creative apps that kids in the 60s-90s dreamed of.
That innovative creative freedom train is long gone from that company
Care to name some of those apps? Genuinely curious, mac computers were (still are) prohibitively expensive and I never knew anyone who had one before the iPhone launched
This was a choice by Steve Jobs for how it is now. This was also the time they were trying to push HTML5 as the future as removing dependency on specialty software. If mostly everything was only needing a website, then it didn’t matter what OS you were using. This would help allow iOS and OSX (at the time) be fully compatible against Blackberry and Windows Vista. But then Android got popular and Windows 7 was a major improvement, Linux was growing as well (netbooks, before MS tried to push into that market). Suddenly their push of any device would be on equal footing was not in their favor, so Apple pushed HARD on “There’s an app for that” to start the hard lock in of iOS leading to where things are today.
Bro, my city just made an app it has a news button, a quick link to city code compliance and a quick form for reporting illegal fireworks. City is depreciating email newsletter and website for app and facebook. and I hate so many places advertising decent deals behind apps. I am not downloading an app for every fastfood chain and grocery store. Stopped going to del taco, mcd and Wendy’s over shitty apps.
Ugh even my weed dealer wants me to install their app. When will it end?
Please pair this with: Stop forcing me to make an account for your useless fucking service. It’s a pain in the ass and only serves your corpo tracking while I get nothing in return
I agree it’s annoying, but I’ve been using temp-mail for accounts I’ll only ever use once and mysudo for accounts I’ll need longer and it’s been working well. Except ticketmaster doesn’t accept voip numbers for your phone.
okay, that’s why you want it, but, like, why should they care?
if you’re not willing to do violence; why should they care?
That escalated quickly.
no, it took a few hundred years/all of recorded history.
This is why I only use Instagram through Firefox on my phone. A) Meta software ain’t getting installed on my device. 2) The Instagram app fucking melts iPhones.
Oh it melts Androids as well. It’s just full of tacked on garbage that wasn’t in the original.
I’ve learned the Facebook app actually causes a lot of battery drain. And those who uninstalled it suddenly found their phones lasting twice as long.
I wouldnt know as a non FB user.
I hate that I need an app to change the colour of my fucking lightbulb, give me a remote instead, damn.
That being said, I prefer using apps over the browser because they load way faster.
There’s a lot of reasons to use a app over a browser.
Speed is not one of them.
As a web dev, we can absolutely provide you faster experience. Depending on the service and needs, we can blow any app awaym
But a app can access hardware tools that browsers cannot.
Of course a good website can beat a shit app. But there’s no way that you can build a website that’s faster than a good app.
First of all, because your website has to run on an actual app, called a web browser. Additionally, you can’t magically remove the initial load time to fetch resources from the server. Those resources are already on your phone on the app so it’s instantaneous.
You…realize that when you visit a website more than once the resources are also available on your phone right? Even the most bloated JS monstrosity will have most of its data cached after the first visit and the initial load time will be as good as an installed app after the first visit. You’re not fetching all 200mb of its JavaScript every time you visit the site. Of course, if the site updates its code, you’ll have to re-fetch it, but the same goes for app updates.
Obviously if your app is designed to work offline, a website probably is going to be worse. But that’s a scenario that actually does warrant a standalone app, which does not go for the majority of apps.
Most apps just do CRUD and act as a thin client to fetch data from a server (this includes pretty much all social media apps). There is not going to be a real difference in speed between loading the site in a web browser with cached resources or a fully-fledged app you install, except the app can harvest data from you in ways that can be prevented by a good browser. Actually, a site can be faster in many cases since it leverages libraries and capabilities already built into and loaded by a browser while an app might have to load its own standalone resources. And being able to access the app offline in these instances is worthless because if your connection isn’t good enough to serve the website, it’s not good enough to use the app either.
If it’s a CRUD app and slower than the network, it is a dogshit app. Both the app and the webpage should be exactly as fast, since it should be waiting for the network for most of the time.
The cache is not magic though. It doesn’t work for the first visit, and it doesn’t last forever. Some clients might not even use a cache. I don’t know if this is the case, but if the cache is validated to be recent (an HTTP HEAD request or whatever) that’s still a round trip to the server.
I don’t know the technical reason but, on my phone, the browser takes a few seconds to load every page, while on an app it’s way faster.
I have Phillips wiz bulbs in my house and I can do most of the stuff in the app from Google home. The only thing I can do is set scenes but I rarely use those.
The only real downside is these use some Phillips API so of course to work they call back to their servers so that stop being smart without an Internet connection. Some day I’ll move my light bulbs out of the cloud but that day is not today.
One of the most ironic things is if you willingly download the app version of a website, hoping it would speed things up and reduce internet data usage, just for the app to be using WebView or some other micro-browser engine which will essentially be the same as if you were visiting the website using your browser as before.
Thanks for nothing.
The few times I visit Facebook I just do it from a web browser on my phone, I’m not letting them spy on me 24/7 just so I can check on a couple groups
A lot of website use so much ressources, I couldn’t visit its with my 5 years old laptop or my “smart” phone. The only way to access their services is with apps. Fortunately, I could choose FOSS apps on F-Droids
However, loading textual information shall not consume all my RAM and most of my CPU. There is an issue with today web
Firefox Android has uBlock Origin.
this unironically
An app for a fucking cemetary!? Nuh-uh
Laurel Hill is a historical cemetery with a few historical figures buried there. Actually, I think Adrian Balboa’s fictional grave is there, too. The app has audio tours and information about the architecture and stuff.
could still be a website.
Probably, but making it an app allows users to pre-download the whole thing beforehand so they don’t need to depend on cell data when they’re out in a field.
but I… it… it’s a PDF, its stored on my phone. I downloaded it. I actually still have it, if I need to prove I was on the train. its not in the app anymore, but I still have it here.
you know you can’t make a PURCHASE on an app without network access, right? like, it has to interact with your bank and generate the code (and that’s done on their server, so you can’t make yourself free tickets) and update “this ticket is valid” in the system. the app is literally just a web site with fewer features. all the important math happens on the server. usually, not even a timetable is stored locally, and it still has to be retrieved from the network, it doesn’t even cache, I bet. I could check, but I would have to find my phone.
I think you replied to the wrong person?
download the whole thing
all the functional parts are server calls, app or website. all of them. buying a ticket involves authenticating with both the owner’s server and my bank. that’s a network thing. can’t download my ticket til I do that, site or app. even looking at a timetable (i dont see where in the app I can do that? but point to point trips) on the app doesn’t work when im in airplane mode, but I know for a fact my browser caches, and if I’ve looked recently or left the page open, it will still be there when I come back.
there’s no advantage of an app, unless you’re doing fancy graphics shit, which eats battery like a mother fucker and makes low end devices much more unhappy.
You can just download the HTML files
Hahaha
But I don’t want a app to get audio tours.
I want a app to make their body spin 360 degrees. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I hear it’s dead now anyway.
That’s how you get a haunted phone
My most boomer opinion
'Member when apple didn’t launch the iPhone with native app support and used the argument that HTML5 could do everything you could ever want, and they were wrong, but actually right as well?
Yeah, I 'member…
Is here a joke here? All I see is truth.
Controversial opinion. I love apps.
(Only because in my company, we created a app team to hire more developers and while our website absolutely doubles as a really fucking good web app, we hinder it in order to keep our app developer homies employed.)
im convinced 99% of app development is just for enhanced tracking and telemetry. Most are a browser in app anyway
I used to work for a very large cable company. All of our apps were championed by VPs who had strong personal connections to InfoSys, who got most of the contract work to create and maintain them. Almost nobody actually used the apps - the developers used various tricks to enormously inflate the apparent numbers of users. So essentially they were a mechanism for one large corporation to siphon millions of dollars from another large corporation. My life became a lot happier when I finally realized this and stopped giving a shit about anything.
I always thought these were at least 50% ironic. Please don’t tell me you don’t actually want websites OP.
I unironically do. I don’t use apps for almost anything.
Yeah. I refuse to use my gym app, cause unnecessary, but there’s plenty of usecases where apps provide useful, specific efficiencies, not to mention the aesthetic improvements, and the ability to create and curate interaction.
Given a malware free world, apps can be cool.
Bro most apps are unnecessary af!
I hate that websites will purposely block a perfectly working website feature if it sees you’re on a mobile just to refer you to their mobile app.
imgur is evil
Go to browser settings on mobile and switch on desktop mode. Fuck them sites.
FUCK websites that require a login, i’m looking at you twitter, you need to be sued over this shit.
Insta. Facebook. In fact all social media that only lets me see 3-4 messages before demanding I log in. Fuck. You.
it’s actually so bad, i genuinely have started to not use the internet outside of like, youtube, npr sometimes, and wikipedia. And archive.org because it’s actually fucking useful.
You can actually use Facebook in a somewhat acceptable way without an account.
What how?
Really? It seems like it’s 50/50 if I can even open a link I’ve searched up without it immediately demanding that I log in.
i wanted to download a singular PDF file yesterday, and apparently i needed to be logged in to do that? I’m not making a fucking account on whatever scribble.com is for a singular PDF that will help me find my Kojima-name wtf
it’s even worse in the field of science, honestly fuck journal publishers, you can all eat dicks. None of you do anything important for humanity.
Well Twitter is awful anyway, so no big deal…
i would be inclined to agree with you, but don trump jr posted an image about tim walz drinking horse cum, and i just had to see if it was real. Because well uh. Obviously. (yes it was real)
Oh sowwy, this splitwise feature is only available in the app. There’s just no way to make it work in a browser that isn’t the one our app wraps around, you gotta understand.
and that is when I just drop that company forever.
I’m so done with all these apps, I’m ready for the mains
Then we’re getting some 'zerts!
Haverford intensifies
