NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg has reportedly floated a five-year, €100 billion package that allies are set to discuss in Brussels. Ahead of the meeting, he said Ukraine’s NATO membership was a question of “when, not if.”
Actually it is an “if”
If Ukraine doesn’t lose.
When is a long time away. There’s conditions for joining and NATO can’t break its.owm charter on this, lest they’re not really NATO anymore.
While there are conditions, you seem to imply that not having a border dispute is one of them, but that’s actually not true, other countries with border disputes did join NATO in the past (see Greece and Turkey for example). It ultimately comes down to votes.
Greece and Turkey’s were primarily with each other though, and they were admitted together such that it became a dispute within NATO rather than between a NATO and non-NATO state
Which also has its own article in the charter. Basically NATO doesn’t involve itself if NATO nations are quarreling. Other nations of NATO can still involve themselves as much as they like, but under their own flags.
I’m not implying.
The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.
Currently this is agreed by…
New members must uphold democracy, which includes tolerating diversity.
New members must be in the midst of making progress toward a market economy.
The nations’ military forces must be under firm, civilian control.
The nations must be good neighbors and respect sovereignty outside their borders.
The nations must be working toward compatibility with NATO forces.
The principle conditions can change, go, etc. but Article 10 won’t see the votes happen if the current principle conditions listed above aren’t being or can be met upon joining. This is why it’s coincidence you bring up Turkey who had their membership under threat during the 2016 coup attempt as it conflicted with the first and third principles. However, they were met upon joining back in the '50s.
Since Russia obviously won’t be joining, Ukraine joining won’t suddenly have Russia agree with NATO that it’ll do it’s part too to ensure the conditions are met by Ukraine henceforth.
I can live with NATO2
NATWO
Putin has done wonders for convincing his neighbors to join NATO in his effort to stop a neighbor from joining NATO. Fucking dumbass.
Then fucking when??
Probably not in the middle of the war with Russia. Once that is resolved they will be able to join.
this will never be resolved. Russia has already shifted its economy to war, they are not gonna leave or surrender it’s all or nothing for them…
So this means sadly no NATO membership for Ukraine as I don’t see how we get the Russians of of this country without boots on the ground.
No country can run on a war economy forever, eventually it starts to harm the living standards of the population, and Ukrainians can endure a lot more of that than middle and upper class Moscovites. As long as we supply the weapons, Ukraine can outlast Russia.
No country can run on a war economy forever, eventually it starts to harm the living standards of the population
I agree to that, but Russia can endure this also for a long time and doesn’t give a shit about its population, that much we already know. We are now in the second year of this degnerated war and the west is already showing signs of fatigue. So it’s more about how long we as the collective west can endure this war and the support for Ukraine and with Trump on the horizont for the americans and the rise of those far right dipshits here in germany and other countries in europe, I’m not that optimistic.
To really end this war I think the western countries and the NATO have to do a lot more in terms of direct support with more weapons, training, ammunition and support for Ukraine, i personally would also favor NATO troops in Ukraine. They also have to cut ties with Russia in every single aspect, isolate them from everything, cease their money and give it to ukraine, punish their oligarchs, enforce every single sanction a lot harder (with force if necessary) and completley ignore all the intimidations, even their threats with nuclear weapons.
Because Russia must not win this war! If they would win, it would show that every country can attack and do whatever the fuck it wants and also manipulate and surpress others under the protection of their nuclear weapons and we have to prevent this at any cost.
