In the US context, the founding of public libraries were most famously and substantially supported by Carnegie. A man of “crime and robbery” if there ever was one. When you hear “philanthropist” think “tax evasion”. Not to mention how he came into possession of all that loot in the first place.

I agree with the author’s point broadly but it’s not well made.

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I agree the other comment is a bit crass and small minded. It sounds like a very painful situation.

But… for ten (10) years your wife is terrorized by a website on a specific day…? Sounds like it could have been mitigated no?

• don’t go on facebook
• don’t go to work (if your job intrinsically involves using facebook or you just can’t resist it)
• have someone triage/screen your facebook on this specific day — delete/hide the post

my condolences to your wife for the loss of her father.

la lutte continue

a lot of folks are going to make some drivel up about how they’re preserving history or whatever as they don’t even adhere to basic archive standards and their entire collection is coincidentally only stuff they like lol

history will never forget joe rogan, the family guy, nirvana, playboy magazine, zelda, 4chan etc thanks to these heroic amateur archivists… lol not exactly representative of the plurality of human creativity

around the edges of the amateurs and within institutions they support like archive.org there is more room to value the diversity of human creation. I hope there would be more infusion of democracy and valuing of materials not of interest to white men.

I havent checked into its status but you should check out the archive team’s reddit project.

I made a post a few months ago with description. Suffice to say archive team are your best hope for mass scraping.

For personal use use you can use a web clipper extension (if you want to convert to markdown) or one that archives complete pages you visit as local files. If you are willing to install software to the computer also, there are tools that will archive your complete history and bookmarks. So you can go get whatever urls you have previously visited (assuming you saved them).

As to cloning the discussion to the fediverse, there were a few projects to try to acheive this but as far as im aware none really got off the ground. Have a search on github.com, gitlab.com and codeberg.org most of them were based out of one of those sites.

I have been on lots of old forums too. That is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the ability to investigate the typos on the old forum posts. How often are you on some phpBB site thinking “this would be so much better if I could see what incorrect information was edited out in 2009.”? Nobody fucking cares.

yo this isn’t the government.

You seem to be wanting a platform on which to conduct official, auditable conversations which are subject to accountability in the form of total mutual surveillance. For some reason pinning these hopes to a random project with a sewer rat for a mascot.

The internet has been going on for like 50 years now, people have been pulling all manner of flame war shenanigans and this has like never been a significant problem. Because if a conversation is being watched by a lot of people, there are always others who saw the original post who can corroborate the change. And if it isn’t, who the fuck cares? Like I said to OP, if you are getting into a lot of petty flame wars and feel you need this sort of thing, learn to take a screen shot or use some of the other many client side or 3rd party tools available just for this kind of suspicion. For the most part it is some kind of online urban legend tho. Plenty of people are saying all kinds of stupid bullshit online, no need for others to plot and plan to trick them into doing so. Whoever is looking to find stupid bullshit can find it without resorting to trickery, in any variety they choose.

I actually don’t think it is required to trust people on a forum in the way you suggest.

If I was in what I perceived to be a really high stakes discussion (read: flamewar) where I was worried about this, I would take my own measures to ensure I could “trust” the other parties. I would save my own copies locally. Reddit RES had a button you could add client side for just this kind of petty bullshit. If you really want the feature, implement it in your browser/device.

Really though friend, try to have a bit of a sense of humor and distance from your online posting and interactions with unknown people. If someone is going to such lengths as to edit their post so it looks like you are responding to something else to make you look bad, it is either: a) a boring joke, or b) they are really pathetic and sad trying to sabotage you. Either way, it’s not the end of the world. If it sticks in your craw, you can just go edit your comment to say “edit: the comment to which I am replied was substantially edited after I posted so what I said no longer applies”. You can either delete what you said, or correct it, or leave it as-is with a caveat.

also some people did learn english (or whatever language is being used) yesterday and they might notice something confusing about their post after creating it… why let it persist

To draw attention to an edit, for example to correct an erroneous statement, use a combination of strikethrough and bold (or italic if more appropriate):

Joe Hill, who wrote songs about union organizing, was framed and hung executed by firing squad by the state of Utah in 1915.

Joe Hill, who wrote songs about union organizing, was framed and ~~hung~~ **executed by firing squad** by the state of Utah in 1915.

increased hosting costs

Should be minimal since it’s text. In fact, a lot of my edits reduce posts since I use it to add an edit that I would’ve needed to post in multiple sub-threads.

If you make a post which is 1000 chars in length, then you edit it to be only 800 chars, the 1000 chars still need to be stored. And federated and everything. That is the actual idea being presented here. It might not be a total of 1000+800=1800 chars because there are clever ways of compressing stuff, but it is still >1000 and certainly >800. And as @fartsparkles also pointed out you need to track meta data for each edit in addition to the text.

It doesn’t cause clutter in Wikipedia, so it’s not inherently a poor UX choice.

Interesting comparison. Wikipedia has a very robust system for tracking changes, because it is a core feature of the project. It is a collection of collaboratively edited documents. Since that’s the whole idea of the project, they have rules, software, code, humans, robots, meetings, arguments, computers, etc to manage it because it is really complicated.

Sometimes, it is too much and they just wipe it away https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selective_deletion

Threadiverse is not a collaboratively edited collection of documents so why introduce that? There is no compelling argument presented.

Also mentioned is git, which like wikipedia is primarily a tool for collaborative editing. It also has the ability to permanently remove: https://git-scm.com/docs/git-filter-branch Not to mention using git is a very specialized skill primarily attained through formal education and employment.

Both wikimedia and git are known as very complicated to use pieces of software which take years of practice to be good at. Both have their own subcultures. They have to be like this because they are trying to accomplish a complicated task, which is to allow large number of people to collaborate together. I think compare/contrasting these to threadiverse does a great deal to show what actually happens when you need to have changetracking like this and how difficult it is to design properly in such a way that it can be easily used by a common person without significant study.

better done on the client side with a browser extension

or fuck it, install a keylogger on yourself

disagree because for example

• reading sequentially posted items when the original author wishes to correct themselves is really annoying

• there are reasons other than personal embarrassment someone would want to correct something they’d said. like if you give advice but later realize the advice could be dangerous for a group of people you hadn’t considered

just checked. my livejournal is still up. last post 2005. i heard a rumour the site was purchased by russia or something? someone is paying the server bills.

do we really have evidence that the problems with a lot of mainstream social media has to do with size? there are shitty smaller sites like for example kiwifarms was vile but not very big. And other sites are expansive like linkedin or quora but pretty benign (if boring) AFAIK.

A lot of people who are comfortable with tech have a hard time remembering how unusual that is. We are all clustered together with each other so it becomes normalized. But think of all the facebook, tik tok, reddit, instagram users int he world. Who will run services for them?

It’s all well and good for us nerdy types to say “OK, one out of every few hundred of us is going to run a little server”. And we can support that because the % of people who have the skills and resources is extremely high.

For the rest of the population, who is going to put the kind of community cultivation in to setting things up, convincing people to move, orienting users, etc? If this plan was to be viable it would need to have a small army of volunteers to commit to creating instances for specific communities far outside of tech.

@manwichmakesameal Who says “manifesting reality” is loony toones horse shit?

What nobody ever told Oprah is that it only works in the FLOSS world. 🪄

someone was just asking for something like this the other day

please share if you do. last time I looked (maybe a year ago) podcasts and audiobooks still have a lot of gaps in selfhosted.

Since podcasts are RSS feeds could you use an existing RSS aggregator? Need to add a player and track play time I guess.

federated git! eeee!