• Wanderer@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    You never really answered the question though. What would have to happen for immigration to be a problem in your eyes? I’m just trying to get you to open you mind rather than sitting on your team. Look at the situation objectively first.

    No its basic supply and demand for both wages and for housing. If you have a limited supply and demand increases prices can only increase. Is supply increases and demand the same wages go down.

    Denmark has run the numbers for crime by country of origin which is direct proof. But then places like Sweden also have indirect proof like now having to keep a record of grenade attacks when they didn’t 20+ years ago.

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      4 months ago

      It’s a real wonder why people with less possibilities can become influenced by crime, regardless of birthplace, and still countries push new residents into those situations

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        4 months ago

        You mean bringing in people like that.

        A country could you know. Not bring them in. Issue is solved then.

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          4 months ago

          You mean bringing in people like that.

          There is so much in this sentence to unpack im not sure where to begin.

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            4 months ago

            Are you saying they magically become different people once they are in the country?

            A country can choose to let that person in or not.

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              Are you saying they magically become different people once they are in the country?

              Do you honestly believe people think that?

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          Not bring who in? What’s the deciding factor, precogs evaluating if someone does crime in the future? Not bring people who are born there and already stuck in lower classes. The problems don’t care about immigration, it’s the bourgeoisie waging class warfare.

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                  4 months ago

                  So you are moving to a new street, but suddenly it’s not allowed because someone else maybe did something. You don’t know why, what, who, but your rights have been lessened. That’s how

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                    Its not a right. Its not “a new street”, its a country.

                    And to continue your metaphor, theres literally not enough houses on the street.

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              4 months ago

              All those African colonies that France ruled for centuries; immigrants from those countries should be denied, just because they are Black immigrants?

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                Not becayse theyre black, but because theres simply too many immigrants. A country can only handle so much.

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            Well lots of countries have immigration requirements or points based systems. So it is obvious that countries already use means to choose which immigrants it wants.

            This just needs expansion. You look at immigrants or children of immigrants that commit more crime than locals or contribute less than locals and you don’t bring them in. Because bringing them in makes the country worse.

            It’s obviously an average but that is all immigration requirements are.