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This post got banned from !memes@lemmy.world for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕
I mean this meme with full respect and love to my fellow community members and I was proud of the discussion and support it was creating.
EDIT: POST RESTORED YAY. (Thank you to the mods it turned out to be a misunderstanding.)
Important clarification/FAQ: I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!
I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)
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- What does disenfranchisement mean in this context?
- The importance of not asking women to tone down their expressions of fear and frustration
- The importance of participation in kindness toward young men, specifically outside the context of people speaking their experiences
Men are always told to shut up? They run the whole damn world lmfao we are going into November with 2 geriatric men as the candidates ffs
Biggest comics on stage? Men (many with a giant stage complaining they have no platform mind you)
News and pundits? Men.
CEO’s/c-suite execs? Men.
Hey look a list of billionaires. Sure looks like a lot of men.
None of that has anything to do with the conversation. You’re only justifying the fact that you’re agreeing that men don’t get to have problems and should just shut up
When did I say anything remotely akin to “men don’t have problems and should just shut up”? Show me. When did anyone I supported say it? Show me.
Men don’t run the world, oligarchs run the world
The homeless men you walk past on your way to work do not run the world
You’re forgetting the “male” part of oligarchs.
Saying a certain group has disproportionate representation does not mean literally everybody in that demographic is benefiting. I am a man, I am not a billionaire, the evidence is clear on that one. But we also both know that is not what I was saying, so that is as far as I’m willing to take this comment.
Is it forgetting or, looking at the percentages, considering it irrelevant to the overall problems the system has?
How large a percentage of men are oligarchs, and how large a percentage of oligarchs are women? Which one is, in <randomliberalcounttry>, the larger number? Would oligarchy be any better if all oligarchs were women? Now as an anarchist I might be biassed here but given that oligarchy is a system of rule I’d say it’s the actual problem, not the gender distribution that’s a mere nuance. I don’t care whether we’re all ruled by left-handed people, or ones with heterochromatic eyes, their geno- or phenotype doesn’t matter what matters is that they are in power. For more education, consult your friendly neighbourhood anarcho-feminist.
You’re just seeing what sticks at this point.
Oh not just “at this point” I’ve been busy figuring out what sticks with people vs. what doesn’t for at least two decades now. Points that, when prodded, don’t cause resistance, where some leverage can be applied that then may or may not avalanche into reevaluation of other topics which would be foolhardy to address directly. Dancing around the neuroses of the collective to enact my grand political vision of *checks notes* universal psychological health.
That all said yes of course we also have issues with gender roles. It’s just that in terms of who sits at the big power levers that’s not terribly relevant any more, it’s not 1850 any more the dam has long since been breached and as women can inherit fortunes nowadays the gender distribution of oligarchs is bound to level out soon enough.
That’s called trying on opinions like hats. I don’t engage with people who pull that crap. It’s just another flavor of “devil’s advocate” where there is no burden to be consistent or stand by anything. Any pushback you face is met with abandoning the idea as if it was never stated. No thanks.
Yes, totally agree, we should all just stick to our initial assumptions and then rationalize them afterwards
That is not what I’m describing and you know it.
I’m perfectly consistent in my position, I simply chose to not engage where people’s underwear is twisted because a shouting match has never changed anyone’s mind.