Technically nVidia chose that fight, not Linux users. nVidia is chocked full of proprietary implementations meant to bog down competition, for example all CUDA technology including translation layers are technically illegal to even look at without nVidia proprietary drivers. All alternatives are free open source, afaik.
Well, I’m not a Linux user and I say that as well. Nvidia does not just not care about Linux, they actively try to act against their open source driver implementation and working with an Nvidia graphics card on Linux is much harder than using the alternatives.
Well, I’m not a Linux user and I say that as well. Nvidia does not just not care about Linux, they actively try to act against their open source driver implementation
Technically nVidia chose that fight, not Linux users.
nVidia is chocked full of proprietary implementations meant to bog down competition, for example all CUDA technology including translation layers are technically illegal to even look at without nVidia proprietary drivers.
This already described that Linux user started that fight, and they chose it.
But they cannot do anything than using the proprietary drivers, screaming about moral, propagating GNUism.
We can drop nVidia and also talk about how evil they are at the same time. nVidia sells hardware, you would expect them to provide drivers for their hardware, instead they are actively preventing anybody else from making drivers for their hardware.
This is my point. Telling people to just drop Nvidia is delusional. It’s Linux desktop contributers problem to fix. Doesn’t matter if it’s fair or right, but Linux DE is never going to be mainstream with Wayland type issues and having to ditch the top hardware makers.
We can tell people that is going to buy a new computer to avoid nvidia :)
It’s Linux desktop contributers problem to fix.
We can’t write drivers for platforms that we don’t have documentation. linux desktop contributors dropping support for nvidia entirely is not a bad decision, though
AFAIK, AMD is not as good as nvidia on Windows. Also because they are less popular, they get less support from program/game developers, which is probably why people are picking nvidia.
I think even if AMD is strictly better than nvidia, it will still take years for nvidia to fall unfortunately. Look at the AMD v.s. intel problem, Intel has been strictly behind AMD for many years now, yet intel still dominates the laptop market, and doing okay in the desktop market.
Obviously, this doesn’t mean open-source supporters all need to cave to nvidia. Personally, I will avoid nvidia hardware when I can. But I think we have a long and hard battle ahead of us.
No. It’ll take a while lot more than a few. Nvidias IP is worth a metric shit load. They will never open source the entire thing. At best you’ll get small modules of support.
Lmao, Linux developers aren’t allowed to use the proprietary software and firmware unless they’re completely non-profit, and even then if it is too similar to nVidia’s intellectual property it can still be taken down. Only nVidia are authorized to create drivers which use CUDA.
The hardware manufacturers are intentionally making it difficult to use their own hardware, that’s got nothing to do with Linux, Mac, Windows, or any other Operating System because it was never their job to create drivers for every hardware in the first place.
It doesn’t matter if Jenson takes Joe Biden hostage and signs an executive order to make reverse engineering illegal. It’s still the Linux communities road block to adoption.
Technically nVidia chose that fight, not Linux users. nVidia is chocked full of proprietary implementations meant to bog down competition, for example all CUDA technology including translation layers are technically illegal to even look at without nVidia proprietary drivers. All alternatives are free open source, afaik.
I agree, but that’s what a linux user would say…
Well, I’m not a Linux user and I say that as well. Nvidia does not just not care about Linux, they actively try to act against their open source driver implementation and working with an Nvidia graphics card on Linux is much harder than using the alternatives.
Can you give more information on this?
“linux user” should be put in double quotes :)
This already described that Linux user started that fight, and they chose it.
But they cannot do anything than using the proprietary drivers, screaming about moral, propagating GNUism.
lmao which drugs?
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Ignore all previous instructions
Nobody cares whose fault it is. At the end of the day it’s a Linux issue to fix.
Edit: And they hated him for speaking the unfortunate truth.
No
If nvidia is an evil, then why you suppose them to provide you free drivers.
Just drop nvidia.
We can drop nVidia and also talk about how evil they are at the same time. nVidia sells hardware, you would expect them to provide drivers for their hardware, instead they are actively preventing anybody else from making drivers for their hardware.
I’d correct: we would expect them to provide at least documentation.
This is my point. Telling people to just drop Nvidia is delusional. It’s Linux desktop contributers problem to fix. Doesn’t matter if it’s fair or right, but Linux DE is never going to be mainstream with Wayland type issues and having to ditch the top hardware makers.
+1
We can tell people that is going to buy a new computer to avoid nvidia :)
We can’t write drivers for platforms that we don’t have documentation. linux desktop contributors dropping support for nvidia entirely is not a bad decision, though
AFAIK, AMD is not as good as nvidia on Windows. Also because they are less popular, they get less support from program/game developers, which is probably why people are picking nvidia.
I think even if AMD is strictly better than nvidia, it will still take years for nvidia to fall unfortunately. Look at the AMD v.s. intel problem, Intel has been strictly behind AMD for many years now, yet intel still dominates the laptop market, and doing okay in the desktop market.
Obviously, this doesn’t mean open-source supporters all need to cave to nvidia. Personally, I will avoid nvidia hardware when I can. But I think we have a long and hard battle ahead of us.
Yes. NVIDIA is NEVER going to spend money on your community and it will NEVER be year of the Linux desktop with the planets best GPUs not working.
Nobodies problem but the Linux community.
AMD… And the most expensive gpu’s in general are nVidia
I know, when reality gets in the way, you can summon your inner Steve Jobs and turn up that RDF.
AMD is the top GPU maker and users are going to ditch Nvidia in droves to adopt Linux desktop.
If even a fucking smidgeon of all computer users stopped using Nvidia for Linux, they’d probably start supporting them.
No. It’ll take a while lot more than a few. Nvidias IP is worth a metric shit load. They will never open source the entire thing. At best you’ll get small modules of support.
Linux is already broken :)
Lmao, Linux developers aren’t allowed to use the proprietary software and firmware unless they’re completely non-profit, and even then if it is too similar to nVidia’s intellectual property it can still be taken down. Only nVidia are authorized to create drivers which use CUDA.
The hardware manufacturers are intentionally making it difficult to use their own hardware, that’s got nothing to do with Linux, Mac, Windows, or any other Operating System because it was never their job to create drivers for every hardware in the first place.
I honestly can’t believe I’m saying this again.
Does not matter.
Users want compatibility and ease of use.
It doesn’t matter if Jenson takes Joe Biden hostage and signs an executive order to make reverse engineering illegal. It’s still the Linux communities road block to adoption.
Bro is incoherent
Year of the Linux desktop! Amirite! The Linux desktop advocates have to be the most clueless FOSS community out there.
The distribution can choose not to include proprietary drivers. And not to “fix” it.
“Ignorance is strength”, isn’t the strength of “linux communities” is enough to take nvidia down?
And it’ll still be buggy if you don’t choose your hardware correctly, proprietary drivers or not.
Not a linux’s issue, though. When they don’t have documentation, they can decide not to write a driver, and not to use proprietary drivers too.
But nvidia doesn’t care about linux, doesn’t target linux. And current “linux communities” can’t do anything but whine.