I’ve been seeing a lot of anti-voting sentiment going around. Can’t believe I have to say this, but you need to vote. Not only is there more to the election than just the president. (State policy, Senate, house), but not voting is not an act of protest. C’mon guys

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      Many people in Poland half a year ago though similarly as well during the last election. 6 months in and the new government proved to be just as much of a reactionary enemy of the people as that of PiS. They almost fired at the protesting farmers recently. And it’s like that anywhere in the world in this rotten system – best those professional politicians screaming about fascism and creeping dictatorship can offer us is just “fascism with a human face”. Their policies fuel the openly reactionary side precisely because they are just as morally bankrupt, worthless and entrenched.

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          They use Poland as an example of why voting is bad but ignore Tusk being one of the loudest European voices in backing Ukraine. Sounds convenient for a different major world power tp argue against that…

          Bc theyre sooo totally gonna be able to get the proles to their side to overthrow their shackles instead -_____-

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        Did you actually think before posting this?

        “Not eating pie this weekend is eating pie next weekend!”

        “Might as well rear end someone. Not doing it now means you’re going to do it later.”

        “Why lose weight? Not dying earlier means you’re just going to die later.”

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        This is such a garbage fucking take. A vote for Biden is a vote to delay fascism for 4 years, which we can use to fight it more effectively. You vote to buy time, and you use that time to fight. There’s not much point in voting if we don’t fight, but if you don’t vote fighting will get a lot harder and things will get worse. Go read a book and touch some grass.

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          Except Biden and democrats only move further right, which is - by definition - not fighting.

          “Let’s move three steps to fascism instead of 5, that’ll save us! The DNC that went to court to tell it’s supporters to suck a dick will totally decide to listen, we swear! We know we tell leftists they’re stupid fucking babies, but don’t forget, we blame them when we lose too! Who WOULDN’T want to vote for that?!”

          The fact that yall can’t see how you’re literally the same picture as MAGAts baffles me. Demonization/dehumanization of anyone who disagrees, hyper nationalist, A borderline violent insistence that ONLY YOU can save the country. This whole thing of ‘We have to save democracy and the right to vote America dies if we don’t vote BUT IF YOU DON’T VOTE FOR MY GUY YOU HATE AMERICA AND ARE WORSE THAN HITLER’ shtick you live and die by. These stupid boilerplate personal attacks “go and touch grass hurrdurr”

          Waving a pride flag doesn’t make you less fascist homie, but you already know that. You just don’t care. Cause you’re a faschie.

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            Hello from Europe. Please inform yourself about Project 2025 if you haven’t. If you already did and insist on your position to vote 3rd party and still don’t get that you won’t have fair elections in your lifetime anymore when orange cheato & the heritage foundation come into power I can’t really feel sorry for you. I’m sorry for anybody who’ll get dragged with you into a christo-fascist handmaids tale nation, though.

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            You’re making a whole lot of unreasonable assumptions about me and misrepresenting my position pretty throughly. Read a book and touch some grass.

        • Not if you vote democrats though. 2016 should have been a wakeup call, but wasn’t to the party elites. Then 2020 should have been a wake up call but wasn’t. Now it is 2024 and they are still not waking up.

          As long as they are not punished vor being neoliberal far right economists with an imperial war hawk approach to foreign policy nothing will change.

          Everyone should vote for a third party imo. If the Dems suddenly need to compete with an actually progressive party, they would need to bring actual progressive politics. Right now they are just becoming more and more like what the republicans used to be, just with some LGBT rights, but only like if it isn’t inconvenient.

            • Your alternative is the Dems continueing to fuck over the poor people in and outside the US and the Republicans to sucessfully blame it on the libs, but doing the same, fueling an ever far right extreme spiral.

              In the end i guess voters get what they deserve for never demanding actual positive change from the party that proclaims for itself to be progressive.

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                I agree that the democratic party is a shit show. I hate it too. But if the goal is progress, handing Trump the presidency is wrong move.

                The correct move is to begrudgingly vote Biden in and work on election reform at a local level. In no way am I suggesting sit around doing nothing and letting the status quo persist.

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            with some LGBT rights, but only like if it isn’t inconvenient

            So I intend to vote, but this is important for everyone to understand. The democrats are NOT allies. They are only supportive insofar as we are useful producers and consumers.

            Look to Palestine and the Mexican border for examples of how well they’ll stand up for us when we become unuseful or unpopular.

            We need a system change including the entire removal of our “dEmOcRaCy” – anyone who defends our system as any kind of equitable system is either a lying fascist or a fool – no exceptions

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            Ah so you want to give the country to Trump and turn it into a dictatorship, so you don’t get to vote ever again?

            That’s some really “SMART” math you have!