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Totally fine when they do it.

I’d argue those people were necessary, what with how public opinion works.

If we’re in a tug of war and you’re pulling with 10 pounds of force, I can’t beat you with 2 pounds of force. In context, you won’t beat “ITLL MAKE YOU GO BLIND AND KILL YOU” with “heeey, like, jot always, maaaannnnn.”

As always, reality is somewhere in the middle, but we wouldn’t have had the progress we did without the other extreme being loud and out there.

All is legal in the eyes of capital.

I always imagine people who die on this hill just admiring the title screen of every game in their library for 5 seconds and calling it a gaming session lol.

Shouldn’t have had a Hamas commander in his back pocket 🤷‍♂️

/s

Yeah, well, shut up 🤣

If its like the US they get buckoo tax monies they aren’t getting from canna.

I wonder how much money gets spent on all this vs how much it would cost to just not suck major ass. Neither approach is going to eliminate piracy, but at least trying to attract more flies with honey wouldn’t send more people to the black sails purely out of spite lol

As I mentioned, I’d be inclined to wonder what you’re considering “apologism.” The fact that you didn’t address the points I made makes me think you fall into that camp of boiling an intentionally wide array of ideas, conversation, etc down to “apologism” to take up arms against instances you don’t like. I see discussion of those countries, and examples of things that are happening there, but not one time have I seen people celebrating violence or excusing it on either hexbear or .ml.

I was sure to not be an absolutist for a reason, I’m not always cruising Lemmy. Hexbear in particular absolutely has a sense of humor sometimes that I myself am a bit old for, but judging them for that is very much more “Old man yelling at clouds” than anything. If you don’t like it, sure, but that doesn’t say A or B about them.

Maybe there’s blatant apologism, but in my experience it’s people taking whatever scraps they can find to claim “Apologism.” For example, discussing high speed rail development in China. Admiring a rail system isn’t “blatant apologism,” but most lemmy liberals would call it as such, because it was built by China. It’s like calling me a Putin apologist for discussing Dostoyevsky. Yes, I’m admiring a creation of the country or it’s culture, but I’m not saying that their current governments are the only way forward or really saying anything about governance at all.

Again, I’m not claiming you haven’t seen something “blatant” before (I could name so many one off events I’ve witnessed that don’t hold to norms,) I’m just saying that people claiming it to be this widespread norm on every leftist instance are spreading disinformation.

Maybe you shouldn’t have defended your point with a link using these talking points then if you didn’t want them responded to.

Thanks for proving my point though about liberals just saying shit then going “SeEeEe??!?!” no matter the response.

It’s interesting how the only criticism anybody can drum up is “tens of millions dead,” but nobody bats an eye at the death toll of capitalism, capitalist countries, and their endless war machine/endless interference in other countries via funding coups or outright assassinations in support of harmful leaders who will play nice with the corporations.

Your link describes discussion of labor camps as if it’s some long lost relic of a bygone era - but slavery of inmates is, right now, legal and prevalent in the US subsidizing private industries for pennies on the dollar. It references the conditions of the camps, but plenty of current US inmates face subhuman conditions and treatment. You imply that everybody suffered all the time under the Soviets, but a far from insignificant number (depending on how you do the numbers, with more support for the USSR than we have for our own government this past decade or so) remember the USSR fondly, or at least as better than their current governments.

All the things y’all constantly belt about to argue socialism is the great evil of the world is shit we do now that you support as long as it benefits private entities instead of public. I’m not going to argue that everything was perfect, or that nobody was corrupt, but I WILL argue that y’all spend a lot of time defending those same imperfections and corruptions under capitalism with this lazy weak ass “but fixing it would be spooky scary socialism” argument. Per the common reasons people call socialism a failure, so is capitalism. That’s why leftists call for, as you call it, “prettied up” socialism - not to fool people, but because what we’re doing now is FAILING EVERYBODY and tripling down on funneling even more of our economy to 1-3% of the population hasn’t helped anything so it’s time for something different and realistic change is gradual, not “seizing the means of production” overnight. Practically, we find a functional balance like the rest of the “first” world.

To co-opt my criticism of zionists defending genocide with the “1,200 dead” figure: If tens of millions dead under socialism makes you so mad, just wait til you hear about the hundreds of millions dead under capitalism.

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In theory, the things the other replies said.

In practice, anything left of the average Lemmy.world liberal/democrat.

I don’t Lemmy enough to say there are zero hexbear users who are pro China or pro wtfever people say, but I see almost none of the ridiculous shit the rest of Lemmy claim exclusively happens there. What I DO see is liberals (usually from lemmy.world if we’re swinging at instances) talking ridiculous trollish shit to hexbear users than using the silly trollish responses they get in response to justify these “all hexbears want to give America to Xi Jinping” posts.

Its like how in general (in the US) you dont have an expectation of privacy in public - You went to the mall, if someone is filming at the mall you might get caught in that.

You performed nude in this movie that was released to the public, you can’t then get mad that people are looking at you nude. Are we going to start monitoring streaming services for people who start a movie then click immediately to 00:49:32 a few times a week then go arrest them too?

Steal the album, buy a T-shirt at their concert!

Ironically most of these patented meds were developed with US funding, but somehow it isn’t socialism when corporations benefit.

#TeamGuillotine

I like how the entire defense is “If people actually saw our materials before signing up, our reputation and business would be destroyed”

Your attempt to goad me into a conversation I’ve ALREADY WATCHED YOU HAVE is precisely the level of troll bullshit I expect from you right wing shit nuggets.

“OhhhHHhHHh I’m a centrist I don’t trust either side (but I’m only going to attack one side and accuse one side of wrongdoing, except when I spend precisely 4 words out of 3,000 to say ‘I don’t trust IDF’ to prove how centrist I am.)”

Kind of seems like fox News level intellectual cowardice on your part though.

Every conservative accusation is a confession. Anyway, fuck you and everybody like you. Blocking you now because I don’t owe troll “teehee you can’t prove anything about me unless you have a signed confession in triplicate” faschies my time.

Watching you go above and beyond the things you’re accusing somebody else of has been entertaining.

We get it, you’re down with genocide and whatever justifies it. Feel like just saying that would have been easier. 🤷‍♂️