Yes, but what else should Biden and the Democrats do? Because if they stop providing aid to Israel, you can bet Russia and China would be more than happy to offer their assistance, and not only would the assault on Gaza continue, the Russians and Chinese would probably provide Israel with tips on the best way to genocide. By supplying Israel, America at least has a seat at the table and any discussions, and can push Israel towards softening their stance, but the moment they stop providing Israel with assistance, Israel will just block them out, and as I said others would be more than willing to not just step in and help Israel destroy the Gazans, but would love to use it as a testing ground for newer weapons. So, the question is what would you have America do? At least by supplying aid to Israel, they stay involved, and can use their presence to push for peace, but you would have America give up it’s only leverage to help the situation, because if America stopped supplying Israel, they would up just like the UN, World Court, and other international organizations, that are complaining loudly and being completely ignored by the Israeli government.
Then maybe America should ACTUALLY be the world police and go stop the horse shit instead of being an arms dealer.
You can be right in that pulling out would be bad and everyone else IS correct for saying this situation is fucked and the US should not be HELPING a genocide.
Literally any of those options is better than selling a genocide committer weapons.
Like I said, the US should ACTUALLY be the world police. Either put an end to the agressors on both sides, or get the civilians out, or both.
This isn’t rocket science. The answer to, “hey, these two old enemies are fighting on the playground again!” is distinctly NOT to sell the bigger one MORE weapons, stand back, and go, “hey, this isn’t good!” Fucking pathetic that I have to explain this.
So you are saying you want America to invade the Gaza strip and defeat hamas?
And you’re fine that other countries will get involved and cause a huge conflict in the region resulting in huge amounts of deaths and suffering?
I know this feels very simple to you but I really don’t think you’ve considered reality or really thought about any of this. Rocket science looks pretty simple, it’s just a load of fire spraying out a tube, how hard can it be, right?
And just a note when you say things like ‘fucking pathetic I have to explain this’ it doesn’t make you look like the tough guy genius you think it does, you look like a petulant child that got in a tizzy because your simplistic worldview doesn’t fit to reality.
I like this idea in principle, but the last time there was an international led UN mission to keep the peace, there was a fuckload of Zionist terrorism against the British (colonial) peacekeepers.
Israel does not accept ANY oversight or restriction on their needs for ‘self defense’, look at the language Netanyahu is using today in response to outside pressure for a ceasefire and peace plan.
When repeatedly asked to respect the UN ceasefire in Lebanon since 1978, they instead respond by threatening to bomb peacekeepers. Diplomatic exchanges followed, but
when the Israeli Air Force did mock bombing runs of UN peacekeepers, the IAF planes were very nearly shot down in self defense.
You think China who has been vocal for a cease fire fron the start would just flip flop for absolutely no reason than what? Being contrarian or something? What exactly would they gain? And Russia… Sure Russia has a complicated relationship with Israel, but they have been critical of their actions since the 1967 war, and are currently aligned with Syria who is at odds, to say the least, with Israel since the illegal annexation of the Golan Heights.
This is one of the absolute dumbest take I’ve read all year.
Both China and Russia have also called for cease fire. Stop justifying us spending ungodly amounts of money to bomb children. The US is actively engaging in arming a genocide despite the majority of its population supporting a cease fire. It’s not complicated, it’s clearly Biden supporting the industrial military complex over his own constituents. This horrific act is all for some rich assholes to become slightly more rich. It’s unjustifiable.
Yes, but what else should Biden and the Democrats do? Because if they stop providing aid to Israel, you can bet Russia and China would be more than happy to offer their assistance, and not only would the assault on Gaza continue, the Russians and Chinese would probably provide Israel with tips on the best way to genocide. By supplying Israel, America at least has a seat at the table and any discussions, and can push Israel towards softening their stance, but the moment they stop providing Israel with assistance, Israel will just block them out, and as I said others would be more than willing to not just step in and help Israel destroy the Gazans, but would love to use it as a testing ground for newer weapons. So, the question is what would you have America do? At least by supplying aid to Israel, they stay involved, and can use their presence to push for peace, but you would have America give up it’s only leverage to help the situation, because if America stopped supplying Israel, they would up just like the UN, World Court, and other international organizations, that are complaining loudly and being completely ignored by the Israeli government.
Nuance? On my lemme?
Then maybe America should ACTUALLY be the world police and go stop the horse shit instead of being an arms dealer.
You can be right in that pulling out would be bad and everyone else IS correct for saying this situation is fucked and the US should not be HELPING a genocide.
Born too late to invade the middle east, born too early to invade the middle east, born just in time to invade the middle east.
So what are you suggesting? America fights Isreal or Hamas? Or you just want to let one side kill the other?
I know people wish the world was simple but it isn’t and you can’t be neutral on a moving train
Literally any of those options is better than selling a genocide committer weapons.
Like I said, the US should ACTUALLY be the world police. Either put an end to the agressors on both sides, or get the civilians out, or both.
This isn’t rocket science. The answer to, “hey, these two old enemies are fighting on the playground again!” is distinctly NOT to sell the bigger one MORE weapons, stand back, and go, “hey, this isn’t good!” Fucking pathetic that I have to explain this.
So you are saying you want America to invade the Gaza strip and defeat hamas?
And you’re fine that other countries will get involved and cause a huge conflict in the region resulting in huge amounts of deaths and suffering?
I know this feels very simple to you but I really don’t think you’ve considered reality or really thought about any of this. Rocket science looks pretty simple, it’s just a load of fire spraying out a tube, how hard can it be, right?
And just a note when you say things like ‘fucking pathetic I have to explain this’ it doesn’t make you look like the tough guy genius you think it does, you look like a petulant child that got in a tizzy because your simplistic worldview doesn’t fit to reality.
I like this idea in principle, but the last time there was an international led UN mission to keep the peace, there was a fuckload of Zionist terrorism against the British (colonial) peacekeepers.
Israel does not accept ANY oversight or restriction on their needs for ‘self defense’, look at the language Netanyahu is using today in response to outside pressure for a ceasefire and peace plan.
When repeatedly asked to respect the UN ceasefire in Lebanon since 1978, they instead respond by threatening to bomb peacekeepers. Diplomatic exchanges followed, but when the Israeli Air Force did mock bombing runs of UN peacekeepers, the IAF planes were very nearly shot down in self defense.
While that might be very true, that only further reinforces that the US should not be supporting them in any way.
Agreed, though we’re no saints at respecting international law either.
You think China who has been vocal for a cease fire fron the start would just flip flop for absolutely no reason than what? Being contrarian or something? What exactly would they gain? And Russia… Sure Russia has a complicated relationship with Israel, but they have been critical of their actions since the 1967 war, and are currently aligned with Syria who is at odds, to say the least, with Israel since the illegal annexation of the Golan Heights.
This is one of the absolute dumbest take I’ve read all year.
Both China and Russia have also called for cease fire. Stop justifying us spending ungodly amounts of money to bomb children. The US is actively engaging in arming a genocide despite the majority of its population supporting a cease fire. It’s not complicated, it’s clearly Biden supporting the industrial military complex over his own constituents. This horrific act is all for some rich assholes to become slightly more rich. It’s unjustifiable.
The US just needs to signal that they are considering it and that will be enough to eject Bibi from office.
Bibi is deeply unpopular in Israel, and if he is jeopardizing their relationship with the US, well… adios mfer.