It’s honestly insane that Israel is getting weapons while Ukraine isn’t.
Even if somebody agrees with Israel: they have a large and modern army, plus some nukes for backup. Let them sort their own shit out, while focusing support on a country that absolutely needs it.
They’re also fighting basically peasants with pea shooters compared the Russian army and its weapons systems.
Israel needs zero support from the US to war crime its way through Gaza.
I kind of think the US is cowardly, and holds some misguided fear about Russia. Fighting a strugging terror group like Hamas or the Houthis is easy, and we don’t have to really worry about anything. It’s an easy win in a military sense (though we all know how actually defeating a group like that actually is.)
Also doesn’t help that Russian propoganda is unfortunately quite effective, and the US has a bunch of Putin rod riders.
they have a large and modern army
They’re hemorrhaging money and manpower to fight this war, particularly in the wake of the Houthi’s shutting down travel through the Red Sea. If the US were to take a hard line against Israel (as Reagan did when Israel launched a war against Lebanon back in the 80s), the Israelis would be forced to back down for fear of exhausting their supplies too quickly.
Let them sort their own shit out, while focusing support on a country that absolutely needs it.
The US has never prioritized needs over political expediency. And the Israel lobby has far more pull in the American Congress than anything Zelensky is fielding.
Failing to support Ukraine means you’re a bog standard Republican. Failing to support Israel means you’re going to lose your job in either party.
Failing to support Ukraine means you’re a bog standard Republican. Failing to support Israel means you’re going to lose your job in either party.
Such a tragic reality that we are witnessing every day.
There is a lot of truth to “Jews control the media” if everyone who speaks out against Zionism is punished.
It might not be Jews who control the media, but Zionists definitely have a disproportionate amount of influence on what the average person is allowed to say.
There is a lot of truth to “Jews control the media”
Not… really. This is where you run into the old saying “Antisemitism is the socialism of fools”. The idea that “Jews” control media is horribly misplaced, because for every given adherent to the faith with some amount of clout, there are millions utterly devoid of swag. You could just as easily claim “Australians control the media” by pointing to the Murdochs or Packers. Or put the blame on the Germans by way of the Hearst family. If you wanted to be particularly smarmy, you could put the blame on the Americans themselves, as an ethnic cohort.
But we’re way past any kind of root cause analysis when we just try to blame a single ethnic cohort, while ignoring how much division exists within that cohort. Certainly, the Beta Israelis don’t control the media. And we can find plenty of anti-war Jews, anti-Zionist Jews, and even just anti-Netanyahu Jews as counterfactuals to the current media narrative.
Zionists definitely have a disproportionate amount of influence
A certain select group of people with a Zionist position have either direct ownership stake or indirect financial influence over a number of major publications and broadcasters. And as media ownership has consolidated over time, they’ve gained a larger voice.
Some of those people might be described as Zionists, such as Jonathan Karp and the Adelson family. But others, like the highly influential head of the Second Baptist Church of Houston - Ed Young - are quite literally selling people on Zionism as an end to Judaism by way of a nuclear holocaust that ushers in the Second Coming of Christ.
Not Jewish. Not really Zionist in the conventional sense. Enormously influential in US - and by extension global - media and politics, purely by way of his command of a wealthy congregation in a set of heavily contested electoral districts.
AIPAC getting called out is a boon then, I’m glad their bullshit is finally under scrutiny and can be out maneuvered thanks to how fast information can spread.
Israel is more important to the states than Ukraine (or Russia’s proximity to NATO)
No. It’s republicans that are blocking Ukraine aid.
If the President can go around Congress on Israel, he can do it for Ukraine if he wanted to.
Not necessarily. Israel has a lot of special carveouts built into US law specifically for it. For example, they’re the only country that can spend US military aid money on their own suppliers.
BUT IT’S THESE REPUBLICANS !!! /s
How much money have you guys been sending to Israel throughout the last 2 decades alone vs. how much money was sent to Ukraine. You guys have money to support genocidal apartheid maniacs (including israeli terrorist settlers) but cut funds when it comes to Ukraine.
But yes, blame the republicans. Woo! Republicans.
How much money was sent to Israel during Biden’s administration, Obama’s administration?
Woo! Republicans.
But remember, vote blue no matter who ❤️
Republicans are actively blocking any funding for Ukraine. Meanwhile funding for Israel is passing through the house easily. It is literally their fault.
Stop being a dipshit.
Republicans are actively blocking any funding for Ukraine.
I don’t even think this is strictly true. Republicans simply don’t have a majority to pass a budget of any kind, and no one in the party is willing to compromise with the Democrats to pass a bipartisan bill. Even when the GOP has all three branches, they struggled to pass anything. They’re just bad at legislating.
Ukraine is collateral damage.
That’s the trick of the GOP… literally all they do is obstruct and destroy any sort of progress the Democrats do end up making lol.
Ukraine produces 25% of europes food and 70% of the world industrial neon, which is needed for chip production. A famine in europe and giving control over chip production for the next 5 years to russia and china is a lot worse than losing our middle east stronghold.
The Middle East, often stereotyped as a barren desert, holds unparalleled geopolitical significance globally. It stands as the most crucial geopolitical climate on earth, influencing intricate political dynamics that reverberate across continents.
Yes, I said that, on earth.
The resources that are found in North Africa and South West Asia are to the west more valuable than Ukraine.
Yeah, without Israel the US wouldn’t have 9/11.
Utter bullshit and a goddamn disgrace. If any country needs and deserves our help right now, it’s Ukraine.
Palestine?
They’re Arabs, they doesn’t matter /s
What a shame the inaction of one generation is going to mean eventually the younger generations becoming Cannon fodder again due to this burying the head in the sand and giving Putin just what he needs to keep going beyond Ukraine.
The older generation aren’t fans of the younger generations as it is so this should show them /s
GoP Cult blaming Biden in 3…2…1…
Israel is more important to US than Ukraine
Let Russia take Ukraine and have a decade to learn from their mistakes and rebuild. The flyers dropped over the United States of USSR and United Kingdom of USSR will be cut out in the shape of a tiger. Putin will chuckle.
Dropping aid to Ukraine is the worst possible move we can make.
The US is more important to Israel than Ukraine.*
FTFY
Ukraine needs to rebuild its own armaments industry. The Russians are content to turtle up. This is good, provided Ukraine uses this lull to build a war economy. The US is the most fickle and unreliable ally. Ukraine must be able to stand alone.
In theory you are right, but in practice it’s damn near impossible to do this while fighting a world power. Only hope is support from allies.
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
almost as much funding has gone to Ukraine versus US federal food stamp program and if they pump 50bl into US based defense spending it will be close to or more than we spend to assist feeding people
This isn’t an either/or problem… We can do both. We can do both trivially.
Yeah this is a walk and chew gum at the same time kind of thing. Both are valid issues and given the US budget, this is not a zero sum situation. The US could and should be doing better in both areas.
This funding is not “for” Ukraine. It’s for the military industrial complex — most of that money stayed in the US.
I personally haven’t supported 9/10 of US military actions since WW2, but Ukraine is a rare case where I do. So tell me… There are hundreds of billions in other spending that should be scrutinized before Ukraine — Why do you think we should let Putin invade and seize other countries?
… hear hear. There are few things I hate more in modern politics than having to align myself with our military-industrial complex, as it feels like a deep and personal betrayal of some of my own strongest and longest-held beliefs.
But … every tool has its purpose, and this is exactly what they’re for. Would they maybe, just maaaaybe, like … some more money?
I will never understand how people don’t get this fact…the aid is loans to Ukraine and the money goes directly to US weapon manufacturers.
Why do you think we should let Putin invade and seize other countries?
To be fair America famously does/did
What country hasn’t?
San Marino and Switzerland at least.
That said, imperialistic conquests of one country do not justify that of another.
If we’re bitching about imperialism you really have got to put Switzerland back on that list… It’s introduced and supported turmoil across the world while constantly profiting from it - go visit Zurich or Lucerne sometime and realize just how much international money is supporting every part of their economy.
No shit. That was my point.
No but it’s hard to cry about imperialism while funding genocidal imperialism.
No I don’t support Russia but the Biden administration are giant hypocrites
So, how is Russia doing any less different than the US according to your logic?
I’ll take hypocrisy any day over the apparent alternative of doing the imperialism and not helping anyone else resist imperialism
Exactly. I would fully support expanding welfare and funding the shit out of Ukraine, and then raising upper tax brackets to pay for it all (in my country or theirs). I doubt OP does, so obviously money’s not the real problem.
And yet the very assholes complaining about Ukraine aid and blocking funding are also complaining about Food Stamps and other “entitlements” and refusing to take free federal dollars for things like child nutrition summer programs. Miss me with the bullshit. As if Republicans gave a fuck about funding the social safety net.
