A better analogy (without the joke) would be Kill the Poor Vs. Kill Some of the Poor. Not that either is good but I’d rather save the half.
Not that either is good but I’d rather
savekill the other halfIs also true, are you still comfortable?
The point being - why insist on and make excuses for continuing to play within the rules dictated to you by those in charge who will only ever let you choose one of the two options where many poor people die? Why are you people so fucking content with this charade and unwilling to think outside of the box literally designed to oppress you (or your neighbour, which seems acceptable to far too many)???
You (personally, and in general) really need to consider with yourselves why the option of “refuse to accept this bullshit and fight for a system where no poor are required to die” (E: not even for the benefit of society at large, but literally for the benefit of a couple of hundred individuals who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire) doesn’t even cross your mind before you’re willing to condemn half of your class to death (as long as it isn’t you).
Half is an exagerration to make the analogy sound better, so I don’t want to argue specifically about that count.
The point is not that I do not oppose either, but that in areas where only both are available, (i.e. voting) I’d rather save than not save.
Centrist bullshit, the right loves this kind of shit
Not really. Most who hold this view are far left.
It’s still a stupid view based on frustration with the establishment rather than reality. Emotions being valid doesn’t make a falsehood more correct. Republicans have never been worse and Democrats are better than they’ve been in decades.
The only coherent argument behind not voting for Biden is accelerationism. It’s a morally bankrupt strategy that’s unlikely to work, but at least it’s a long term plan that thinks beyond cutting off your nose to spite your face.
How is accelerationism a “long term plan that thinks beyond cutting off your nose to spite your face”? There’s no long term plan at all, it’s simply a false hope that people will rise up when things get shitty enough, and from those ashes some kind of utopia will sprout. That’s not a plan at all, that’s just a dream.
i have beef with republicans for doing nothing they cry and moan about liberty and freedom, yet EVERYTHING still has red tape ALL OVER IT. And i have beef with dems for trying, but not trying hard enough, and continuing to use a dysfunctional system, that does not work, and will not work. It’s like trying to turn windows into linux, you just cant do it. And even if you could, you shouldn’t.
i have beef with people for engaging in politics when it should be obvious to all of us that the entire point of politics is to keep us distracted from the real problems. And yet here i am, commenting on it.
i just cant win.
Keep telling yourself this. Trump thanks you for getting out of the way.
bibi sent me a suitcase full of cash for you. where do you want me to leave it?
Please do not use the cutesey diminutive form of his name. We don’t need to cute up fucking genocidal freaks.
I get what you were going for, and I agree, but you can just say “Netanyahu.”
I want to be friends, so don’t tell me what to do.
Why would you want to be friends with bibi?
that is not what I meant but it’s great to see pedantic comments
I didn’t realize asking and saying please was “telling someone what to do.”
as I said I want to be friends.
I felt like you were telling me what to do.
if that’s not what you meant to do, then I hope you can forgive the misunderstanding, just ask was willing to forgive you for telling me what to do
I definitely did not mean for it to come off as telling you what to do, it was definitely meant as a polite ask.
Of course it’s forgiven. Misunderstandings aren’t things to hold grudges over. Cheers, mate.
kill the poor vs try not to kill the poor but ultimately end up giving into republican bad faith arguments and compromise away life from some of the poor while making life marginally better for some of the white ones
ITT: “Your reasonable and verifiably accurate criticisms of the Democrats are nice and everything, but I typed ‘both sides’ with alternating caps and lowercase so I win. Go suck trump/Putin’s cock.”
I’m not going to say most Democrats aren’t capitalists and in corporations’ pockets. But one party got ACA passed and tried to get some student loan forgiveness passed. Along with a whole number of different laws passed for worker protections and similar over the last few years.
On the other hand, Republicans have Trump who tried to pass Schedule F for government workers which would have taken us back to the spoils system where Presidents hand out government appointments, jobs and ambassadorships as rewards for loyalty. FYI we got rid of this system after it directly caused President Garfield’s assassination. That’s just one of many anti-worker, anti-poor, and anti-people reforms the last Republican president tried to accomplish. We don’t even need to touch the entire Republican party’s fascination with stripped rights away from women and trans people.
Both sides is bullshit.
The only thing the ACA did for the average American was to lower the scheduled hours because that meant the company was exempt from the ACA.
For many working class people they still didn’t have health insurance, but now the had a smaller paycheck too.
For those that did get health insurance, how many companies opted for a useless HMO?
“Ya know, they say the next bomb will be sent by a Democrat in office rather than a Republican.”
“Damn, that makes my Genocide feel so much nicer. I hope they maybe legalize weed for them in another 4 election cycles.”
The ACA fails to provide healthcare access to the most vulnerable and disenfranchised groups. It’s an epic failure and capitist nightmare.
Biden didn’t attempt to forgive student loan debt. If you dig just a bit, you’ll find it was all theater. He even worsened the situation for many. The only people he’s helped are select groups of the “right” people.
He has also expanded the reach of ICE, continued Trump’s wall, and expressed support for the genocidal state of Israel.
I’m not saying Republicans aren’t worse, but it’s foolish to try to silence leftists and progressives when we point out how deeply problematic all of this is.
The ACA was not what Democrats were looking to pass originally. It was a compromise reached with idiot republicans (who mostly wanted no reform at all) in the context of an absolutely massive propaganda and lobbying effort from insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
The ACA could have been potentially a great law, despite being based on RomneyCare… until Joe Lieberman stripped out the Public Option that would have slowly undermined the corporate insurance industry by being cheaper, and was meant to be a path to Universal Healthcare.
Fucking Blue Dog Democrats, they may as well be Republicans.
biden was blocked from doing anything on sweeping blanket forgiveness of loan debt by the supreme court but that hasn’t stopped him from forgiving thousands of dollars of it
The ACA?
You mean RomneyCare?
The Republican plan Obama chose because they wouldn’t vote against their own plan?
Oh and Biden is the reason we can’t discharge student debt in bankruptcy. He personally helped pass that bill. So happy he tried and failed to undo his own mess. (Which was a half ass plan anyway instead of just making student loans discharchable in bankruptcy again.)
Yeah. Sure, Jan.
Keeping you placated with those less than bare minimum gestures which, while helpful on a superficial level to some, don’t actually change anything fundamental in the grand scheme of things, is exactly how liberals enable fascism.
Equating left and right wings as “both sides” is bullshit, but liberals aren’t on the left, therefore pointing out that democrats and republicans serve the same system and people isn’t “both sides” at all, it’s a statement of demonstrable fact, however uncomfortable that might be - both parties exist to keep those with power and money with power and money, for that to happen, they have to keep you (never mind those exploited overseas, out of sight out of mind) poor and powerless.
For anyone willing to challenge their bias and comfort:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
The post is about the core policies of both parties being to shit all over the worker while enriching the capitalist class. It’s important to weigh the bad things that Republicans do against the good things that the Democrats don’t do. Why has the federal minimum wage not increased from 7.25/h since the year 2009 despite Democratic legislative majorities? Why did the DNC prop up Hillary, quite possibly the most unelectable candidate in American history, When Bernie had such obvious grassroots support? What have the Democrats done to stop massive hedge funds like BlackRock from buying up all the single family homes so they can rent them to workers essentially creating a slave state? Oh great the average worker is never going to be able to afford their own home in their lifetime but at least our Democratic overlords are making sure employers can’t be racist and students who made bad financial decisions are getting bailed out. Speaking of being bailed out, Democrats certainly didn’t stop the bank bailout of 2008. Guess the party of the people thinks they should pay for the mistakes of the 1%.
Both sides completely throw the worker under the bus.
In 2003 I was working as a Master Control Operator for a local television station. This was complicated work and legalese work. We had to legally sign off on what commercials were being aired, while also doing the job of actually airing them on time, and recording shows from satellite so we could air them. We had to sign off on this legally to prove to the companies that had paid for the ads that they were running when and how long they were supposed to. I literally answered to the FCC and could be fined massive amounts and/or jailed if I screwed up too badly.
I was being paid the Federal Minimum of $5.15 an hour at the time. It hasn’t gotten better. Even complex technical work has been completely devalued.
You’re right. accounting for inflation 5.15 in 2003 would be worth 8.45 in 2023 dollars. That’s a 16.5% loss of purchasing power. That’s before you account for the soaring mortgage/rent rates. But young people are just lazy these days…
It gets “better.” Back then, MCO’s were only expected to do Master Control for one television station, because that’s all the technology could handle at the time. Each local station had their own Master Control division.
All those got chopped up with technology around the time they switched from analog broadcasting to digital broadcasting. Now an MCO handles up to 15 stations at one time. Half the local stations lost their Master Control offices, and soon, their local news with it.
For example, the station I used to work at no longer functionally exists. They only exist as one reporter and one production assistant in a tiny block inside of a strip mall. They do “cut-ins” for the “local news” that airs from their “sister station” over 200 miles and over 3 hour drive away. Screams “local” to me. What a joke.
So now MCO’s can get paid minimum wage with 15x the labor to do!
Haven’t you got the memo? You shouldn’t be criticizing anyone when the alternative is way worse. Don’t you know not being as bad basically makes you perfect?
It’s more than fine to criticize, but calling them the same is just plain incorrect.
They didn’t though? The meme says they both kill the poor, which is just true
why don’t they fight the war why do they always send the poor
you depend on our protection yet you feed us lies from the tablecloth
I mean the explicit lyric law was pushed by Tipper Gore, Al Gore’s at the time wife.
This is on point.
Sorry but living under the pandemic and having a moron POTUS say “we don’t need masks cuz lol bleach is the cure” is enough of a difference.
Do you ever think we ended up with Trump as POTUS because nothing was ever done about idiot Bush and his literal war crimes?
To some of us, Democrats are enablers of the fascism of Republicans.
Why? Because of shit like not being willing to prosecute former Presidents for war crimes.
Our country not having the balls to send Bush and Cheney to the fucking Hague is part and parcel to why they won’t do anything about Trumps unhinged criminal conspiracies.
The entire Democratic party folded over for Bush and Cheney, and people cooed like it was cute when Michelle Obama and Bush shared a piece of candy. Fucking sickening shit.
Just wait until they do the same media rehabilitation tour for Trump.
Neither party wants to prosecute war crimes because both are guilty of them. Military spending and diplomacy are completely unchanged in the case of either party being in power.
Agreed. Obama didn’t just let it slide, he took office and immediately formally legalized nearly all the shady shit Bush was up to.
When politicians are left to their own devices then there is no accountability. Voting doesn’t hold them accountable but it does mitigate the damage. If you want accountability, then you organize and shut shit down.
