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Hundreds of people stormed into the main airport in Russia’s Dagestan region and onto the landing field Sunday, chanting antisemitic slogans and seeking passengers arriving on a flight from Tel Aviv, Israel, Russian news agencies and social media reported.
Russian news reports said the crowd surrounded the airliner, which belonged to Russian carrier Red Wings.
Authorities closed the airport in Makhachkala, the capital of the predominantly Muslim region, and police converged on the facility. Dagestan’s Ministry of Health said more than 20 people were injured, with two in critical condition. It said the injured included police officers and civilians.
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Jew-hate is alive and well in the country purporting to be stamping out neo-nazis in Ukraine. The irony needs no seasoning.
It doesn’t seem like neo-Nazism in this case but rather the long standing hate by Muslims if it makes any difference. From the news coverage I’ve seen of this, it seems like it was a mob of Muslims waving Palestinian flags.
“We are the victims!” while they threaten and attack everyone that doesn’t agree
Also, pretending that they care about Arabs, who we know they hate as much or worse than Jews.
As far as I understand; nazi, in russian, translates to “western European russophobic”. I suspect many Russians are scarcely aware that Nazi Germany did something to Jews.
Nazi more or less translates to “anyone who is against us, like the Germans”.
Dagestani under Kadyrov are their own kind. I’ve seen some public signs of support to Hamas. I have no doubts it’s orchestrated by local administration.
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Yes, it was very late and I confused Chechen and Dagestani republics. I’d take salt on my head. My username seems fitting here.
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Didnt russia invade ukraine because there were nazis in the country that need to be fleshed out or something? Is it time russia invades russia?
Russia has a long fucking history of invading “Russia”.
It’s Russians all the way down…
They’re not Russians.
Русский, no — Российский, yes.
Don’t they have Russian “passport” ? How can you tell Russian apart? Are e.g Siberians also not Russians ?
They are citizens of Russia, but not Russians ethnically. Just like a Japanese person with a US passport is not suddenly white person of European descent.
Japanese who is also US citizen is American .
Also Russian is not race , Western Russian are mostly Caucasian, which is probably what you call white person of European decent. So according to your logic , There are no Russians in Russia 😅 👍Wut?
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If you beleive Putin, Russia invaded Russia by invading Ukraine!
Dagestani people are mostly Sunni Muslim. So I would call the group in this instance Islamic extremists, or just conservative Muslims, and not Nazis. Antisemitism is kind of baked into the Quran, sadly. Not to mention modern history between the two groups kind of fuels that fire.
That’s not to say that there aren’t actual Nazis in Russia, and there may have even been a few involved here. To be fair, its getting hard to tell the difference between Nazis, and extremely conservative people of most every religious denomination nowadays. So I guess your point still stands.
Not totally true. Arab Muslims and Arab Jews lived mostly peacefully together for many hundreds of years. It’s like saying antisemitism is baked into the Bible. It sortof is, but not really. You have to stretch things and manipulate it to do that, and try to force people to care. Most people just want to live their lives. Making any of this Israel stuff about religion just plays into Israel’s playbook. Arab Jews lived in that region without murdering the Muslims for a long time. It’s the European colonial Zionists that started murdering and saying Muslims couldn’t live there with them peacefully.
I would also absolutely say that antisemitism is baked into the Bible. Antisemitism is baked into a lot of things throughout history, too. I am not trying to say that all Muslims and Christians are antisemitic, but their writings most definitely are, and it gives people an excuse to be that way whenever is convenient. Also, none of this excuses what Israel has done and is doing to Gaza.
It really depends on the notion of “Jews in general” vs “a particular group of Jews”. The Quran seems to mostly say things about a particular batch of Jews. The most general comment about I can find in the Quran actually discussed by a rabbi in comedic fashion. The same rabbi also has TONS of examples of antisemitism in the New Testament but seems to have a very high opinion of Islam.
This was an interesting discussion, thanks for posting. I learned a bit about the actual history behind that passage, and it cleared up some of my own misunderstanding as a heathen from a Muslim family. I think the problem lies in the fact that conservative Muslims can still use those passages to justify antisemitism, but that’s not unique to Islam obviously.
These books are so vague and out of touch with the modern world that people can use them to construct any sort of meaning that they want to it seems. It’s the only explanation for why some of the followers can be all about peace and harmony, and other followers of the same book are focused on doom and war.
I feel like it mostly comes to hypocrisy and impatience. As individuals we decide on the amount we absorb of a religion into our daily lives. I would say that those who absorb just enough religion to bolster the narratives and views they already built are misusing an important tool. For instance, if you hated a particular group (in this case: Jews), you could simply stop narrating the following after the first sentence:
In the first generation of Islam, many efforts were made to establish a believing community with the Jews; and one by one, each of these [Arabian] Jewish tribes betrayed those Muslims. However, when those same Muslims took over Jerusalem, the prohibition of Jews in Jerusalem was lifted in order to let Jews worship in Jerusalem. It’s obvious that the first generation of Muslims did not blame all Jews for the betrayal of SEVERAL tribes.
The crazy thing is they are all almost exactly the same religion
Right. Religion ruins everything.
So you literally no nothing about recent Russian history? Russia was at war in Dagestan with Chechen Islamist militias in 1999.
So you literally no nothing
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I no what you’re trying to do, and it’s knot going to work.
I haven’t disabled autocorrect yet.
So pogroms are back, that’s probably not a great sign for the species
Bruh, you think race riots ever went away. They’ve just been gone for the Jews. There was literally a race war between Hindus and Christians in Manipur, India earlier this year. Muslims have been actively cleansed in Burma for a half decade now. There was a decades long war between the Sinhalese and Tamil people in Sri Lanka. There were the 2002 Gujrat Riots where 2000 Muslims were killed where the government condoned the violence and actively refused to intervene. The same man is in charge of India now with the largest mandate ever.
wtf?! What has this got to do with India?! But then I checked your profile, looks like you are a Pakistani.
Pakistan has already killed more Muslims than Israel:
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More than 23,000 Shias have been killed since 1963 according to this video: https://youtu.be/KjdsKVRAbPU
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Bengal genocide
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Here your PM Imran Khan himself said that the army is bombing the Balochi Muslims: https://twitter.com/navneet_mundhra/status/1168770123412340737?s=20
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Pakistani constitution has anti Ahmediyya laws in place, which says that Ahmediyyas are not muslims. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-religion/pakistans-ahmadi-community-releases-damning-persecution-report-idUSKBN1HZ06R
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Many Ahmediyyas flew to Nepal because of the persecution https://themuslimtimes.info/2019/06/20/ahmadis-in-pakistan-face-persecution-flee-to-nepal/
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Pakistan accused of dumping over 1000 bodies of Balochi Muslims https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38454483
Now, let us dismantle this political correctness when it comes to Jews vs Muslims conflict.
Islamic holy scriptures literally have antisemitism enshrined in their doctrines, like Nazism is part of Islam. That’s why they have been at war for 1000s of years now.
Muslims aren’t even allowed to wish their Islamic greeting to Jews and Christians, that’s how antisemitic their scriptures are.
Here a Muslim refuses to wish their greeting to a Jew: https://x.com/israel_advocacy/status/1519731950902300673?s=20
This is also the reason why Hitler was appreciative of Islam and many prominent Muslim leader allied with him because of their mutual hatred for Jews.
The point is that similar events have been happening in recent history. Nothing about your sources disproved this, in fact it’s all good info to validate what they’re saying.
I will say that using a Twitter video from the Israel advocacy group to validate your claim about Islamic scripture comes across as very tenuous and hard to take seriously at face value.
It’s very interesting because all the sources you provide for talking about Pakistan all seem very solid.
I found the twitter source to be reliable because the Muslim in the video himself refused to wish Islamic greeting to the Jew.
I did some research and I found this Islamic verse, but it seems, both, the Jew and the Muslim in the video have taken it out of context.
But even then I have seen many antisemitic verses in Islamic scriptures, a quick google search does reveal some verses.
Ok so the quote is to verbally swing back when insulted. So maybe thinking a video of one Muslim (there are more than a million of them globally) is a reliable metric to judge all of Islam isn’t correct?
And your second link has an interesting comment that you might’ve missed.
“Did you post this up in order to put a veil over people’s eyes on the atrocities the Israeli government committed few days ago by murdering over 60 innocent Palestinian people and injuring 1000s of protesters?
“Re-Examining Banu Qurayzah Incident”
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/01/01/re-examining-banu-qurayzah-incident/
Safiyyah was freed at Khaybar and married in Khaybar incident too. This had no connection to Banu Qurayza incident:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/07/04/safiyyah-huyayy-kinana-and-khaybar-affair/
As for last hour claim, the following is an excellent article which delves into the context around it:
As for Quran 9:29 and other verses, see this please:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/05/27/most-misinterpreted-verses-of-the-quran/
Prophet Muhammed’s Charity To Non-Muslims,
(1992) “… that the Messenger of God (p) used to give charity to a household of the Jews, and it continues to be given (that is after his death (p).” (Kitab al-Amwaal by Abu Ubayd al-Qasim Ibn Sallam, page 556)
Prophet Muhammed’s (p) wife, Safiyya gave charity to those who professed another faith (among her family),
(1193) “…that Safiyya, the wife of the Prophet (p) gave charity to two of her relatives, and both were Jews. This (corpus of the) charity was sold for thirty thousand dirhams.” (Kitab al-Amwaal by Abu Ubayd al-Qasim Ibn Sallam, page 556)
Various companions and scholars gave and had given charity to non-Muslims who lived under their protection throughout the earliest days of Islam,
(1994) “…Abd’Allah Ibn Marwan, who said: ‘ I said to Mujahid: ‘ I have a polytheist relative, who owes me a debt. Should I forgo this debt?’ He replied, ‘Yes, and (give something to) strengthen the bonds between relatives.” (Kitab al-Amwaal by Abu Ubayd al-Qasim Ibn Sallam, page 556)”
You know that there is no god, right?
Yes, I’m an agnostic atheist. That’s why I don’t have an issue actually looking into the specifics of different religions to understand them better.
Islam is a piece of shit homophobic misogynistic religion bro.
All Abrahamic religions are. And it’s also not the point being discussed so you’re deflecting.
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The article I read yesterday, mention a viral rumor about Israel coming to annex Dagestan.
Dagestan has no monopoly on stupid people.
It was an attack, it’s just you can’t really make Doncaster any worse so no one noticed.
The Donny Soldier stood his ground and cried out the battlecry of Doncaster to the invading Hamas soldiers.
“Summer is here…”
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Christ on a shitstick.
This sounds so absolutely fucked to literally anyone who doesn’t live in Dagestan. I’ve pored over maps of Russia and I didn’t even know that existed.
I have serious concerns about the people who believe shit like that. Guys, the teletubbies are coming to take over Wisconsin!
If I saw a teletubby crashing through the bushes gargling at me I’d run like fuck.
Do not look up Mr. Blobby…
If I can describe his voice it would be “imagine all the unbaptized babies of hell speaking in unison”.
If its that green one, I’m charging at it like a bull…
i want that fucken purse
Least racist ruzzian propaganda
Wtf.
This is in the Dagestan Republic, which is mostly Muslim. While many of the mostly-Christian Russians are indeed anti-Semitic these days (indeed, in regards to the war in Ukraine I’ve seen some comment on social media about how “it’s DA JOOOOOZ” because Zelensky is a Jew and America has the second-largest Jewish population after Israel), this is a case of religious extremism by people brainwashed by Arab countries’ propaganda, who think all Israelis are evil. To be completely fair though, Ruzzia pretending to care about Palestinians probably didn’t help either.
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Are we supposed to take a random video about some dude on Twitter as scriptural authority here?
You’re dumb and wrong. Judaism is considered one of the religions of the book which are considered the least wrong other religions… and the believers supposed to be offered additional privileges and tolerated.
But that’s all moot because what holy scriptures say is often disregarded if inconvenient by all modern religions. Modern animosity is politically born - the antisemitism you’ll see in places like Palestine is because a people were forceably displaced… if there wasn’t a difference in religion some other excuse would be found to fuel hatred.
Russia is 5-10% Muslim. Whats the excuse for landing in a majority Muslim town? I don’t see how that happens on accident
Do you think airports are screened for religious make up of the city they’re in?
In the wake of the rampage, Israel’s National Security Council and the Foreign Ministry said they have updated the travel warning to the highest Level 4 for Dagestan and other regions in southern Russia, advising Israelis to avoid visiting them and urging all those currently there to leave.
I mean that one will be now.
I was under the impression it was actually a plane full of refugees. I’m confused reading the article a second time because they don’t call it a commercial flight. If it was an organized refugee effort then yes the orgs arranging refuge have a responsibility to do their due diligence to make sure the refugees will be safe.
Journalist really need to acquire the knowledge of Arabs being also a Semitic population. The exclusive use of the Semitic label for Israel and the Jews in general is just one more disgrace in this whole story.
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So I am a nerd and being downvoted for pointing this obvious mistake?
It is like in the 2nd chapter of the fairytale the Israelis and all the others in the region based all their lore on. And it is relevant to the article since in it it’s stated that there were Palestinian flags brought by the protesters.
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Antisemitism refers to discrimination against Jews, not any semitic people. Also, there aren’t any Arabs mentioned in the article.
Why should other Semitic people be excluded from the definition? It removes a way to identify prejudice against those other Semitic groups.
Because anti-Semitism has a German origin and has been used primarily in the West to refer to discrimination against Jewish people.
The fact that it doesn’t cover anti-Iraqi or Palestinian sentiment, does not mean that you can’t identify them, which you are so bizarrely claiming.
I said it “removes a way” to do that. Not that it removes any ability to. Try to represent peoples arguments factually next time please.
Even though double speak removed the idea of the word “bad”, they could still try to express the same idea with “ungood” after all. Language shapes how we view the world because it’s how we share our experiences.
Nope, just like George Orwell you are asserting an unsupported form of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis.
“Doublespeak” doesn’t fundamentally change how people think, it is just deception by obfuscation.
The fact that the word anti-Semitism doesn’t include anti-Arab sentiments is not the cause of why anti-Arab sentiments are not as criticised. The Holocaust is why anti-Semitism (the concept and by extension the word) holds a place of special concern. (And Islamic terrorist incidents are why anti-Arab sentiments are more accepted).
I’m not saying it necessarily should be that way, but that’s just how the word has been used historically and in the present. Antisemitism has been different from other forms of racism because it is hatred that is often based on conspiracy theories about Jews. Discrimination against Arabs would usually fall under islamophobia (even though not all Arabs are Muslim), or other words like anti-arabism or anti-arab sentiment.
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