I had some hexbear posters argue with me that apparently North Korea isn’t actually a bad place and it’s all evil western propaganda making us think it is. Gave me a real headache, that
jfc you really found this in the sea of 400 comments.
the entire concept is corrupted from the jump. the government is comprised of people who violently repress any political dissent and the head of state was ordained from birth, completely immune to any consequences for his actions. the factory leaders are “democratically elected,” huh? good thing political discussion and elections in nk are so fair and free! im sure talking shit and voting against the party-chosen candidate has no consequences whatsoever. and if you don’t like who gets “”““elected””“” you can tooootally leave the job. maybe you could even move to another country in order to talk about your experiences! odd that happens so rarely, nk must be such a nice place to live that no one but those with this weird delusion of the country being a hellhole wants to leave.
i know talking to you is pointless, i mean, the amount of blatant propaganda you have to swallow to believe for even a second that the taean system actually functions in a meaningful way is absolutely wild, but the idea that their real problem is that they just haven’t “expanded” it far enough is laughable. yeah, no, actually, you’re right! they just need to hold actual elections to replace their entire government!
ive done this song and dance before. there’s nothing to engage. they’ve already edited their comment multiple times to say almost entirely different things. calling that party a “significant minority” is insane lie. if i linked literally anything from anywhere you’d just call it western propaganda. im not putting the effort in for you morons.
you’re literally claiming that north. korea. has a functioning democracy. get a grip.
Okay, well, if you feel like reading a book sometime, I highly recommend Patriots, Traitors, and Empires: The story of Korea’s Struggle for Freedom, by political analyst Stephen Gowans (he’s not a commie, no reason to be scared)(edit: he’s a marxist), it goes into the history of the Korean peninsula, starting from the Japanese colonization in the early 1900s, through WW2, the division of the country into North/South, the Korean war, through to present day, answering why North Korea (DPRK) is where it’s at today.
Here’s an article that goes over the basics of it all, if you’re not up for reading the whole book (but it’s a very good book)
They’re not wrong though, especially if you compare to SK which is a capitalist shithole where suicide is through the roof. People don’t realize how much we know about NK is flat out lies told by people who need to tell them in order to survive across the border. It’s not exactly what you would call a utopia but considering how much they’re getting slammed by sanctions, they’re doing pretty well for themselves.
You mean the sanctions that happen because they refused to stop developing nuclear weapons? The nation that forbids its people from leaving? The one that invests more money into tracking and controlling its citizens then it spends on feeding them? Sure.
You know they have a relatively open border with China right? They just don’t let people leave into the southern almost dictatorship(their military is still subordinate to US pacific command)
Also if you had the US conducting the largest military exercise simulating an invasion on your border every year you’d want nuclear warheads too. Especially if they’ve previously killed 20 percent of Koreans total.
South Korean media outlets estimate that there are around 100,000 North Korean workers in China, and between 3,000 and 4,000 in Russia, even though U.N. sanctions mandate that all North Korean workers were supposed to have been repatriated by the end of 2019.
Sources told RFA that the first groups of people selected for repatriation include people accused of crimes, the sick and infirm, and employees who have fallen out of grace with their companies.
Btw the order to not have them outside of the DPRK comes from sanctions because of their nuclear program, not because the DPRK is forcing them back.
The Dandong Public Security Bureau assisted with the repatriation by lining up on the streets around the buses to prevent the North Koreans from fleeing and they also forbade onlookers from taking any pictures, the resident said.
Because this would definitely happen with regular workers…
I had some hexbear posters argue with me that apparently North Korea isn’t actually a bad place and it’s all evil western propaganda making us think it is. Gave me a real headache, that
Edit: Some great tankie examples below too
Leave it up to the Tankies to out themselves by defending north korea
Mods of large lemmy.ml subs are doing it in this very thread.
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jfc you really found this in the sea of 400 comments.
the entire concept is corrupted from the jump. the government is comprised of people who violently repress any political dissent and the head of state was ordained from birth, completely immune to any consequences for his actions. the factory leaders are “democratically elected,” huh? good thing political discussion and elections in nk are so fair and free! im sure talking shit and voting against the party-chosen candidate has no consequences whatsoever. and if you don’t like who gets “”““elected””“” you can tooootally leave the job. maybe you could even move to another country in order to talk about your experiences! odd that happens so rarely, nk must be such a nice place to live that no one but those with this weird delusion of the country being a hellhole wants to leave.
i know talking to you is pointless, i mean, the amount of blatant propaganda you have to swallow to believe for even a second that the taean system actually functions in a meaningful way is absolutely wild, but the idea that their real problem is that they just haven’t “expanded” it far enough is laughable. yeah, no, actually, you’re right! they just need to hold actual elections to replace their entire government!
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are you capable of feeling shame?
Are you capable of engaging with TB’s points instead of falling back into insults to save face?
ive done this song and dance before. there’s nothing to engage. they’ve already edited their comment multiple times to say almost entirely different things. calling that party a “significant minority” is insane lie. if i linked literally anything from anywhere you’d just call it western propaganda. im not putting the effort in for you morons.
you’re literally claiming that north. korea. has a functioning democracy. get a grip.
Okay, well, if you feel like reading a book sometime, I highly recommend Patriots, Traitors, and Empires: The story of Korea’s Struggle for Freedom, by political analyst Stephen Gowans (he’s not a commie, no reason to be scared)(edit: he’s a marxist), it goes into the history of the Korean peninsula, starting from the Japanese colonization in the early 1900s, through WW2, the division of the country into North/South, the Korean war, through to present day, answering why North Korea (DPRK) is where it’s at today.
Here’s an article that goes over the basics of it all, if you’re not up for reading the whole book (but it’s a very good book)
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They’re not wrong though, especially if you compare to SK which is a capitalist shithole where suicide is through the roof. People don’t realize how much we know about NK is flat out lies told by people who need to tell them in order to survive across the border. It’s not exactly what you would call a utopia but considering how much they’re getting slammed by sanctions, they’re doing pretty well for themselves.
You mean the sanctions that happen because they refused to stop developing nuclear weapons? The nation that forbids its people from leaving? The one that invests more money into tracking and controlling its citizens then it spends on feeding them? Sure.
You know they have a relatively open border with China right? They just don’t let people leave into the southern almost dictatorship(their military is still subordinate to US pacific command)
Also if you had the US conducting the largest military exercise simulating an invasion on your border every year you’d want nuclear warheads too. Especially if they’ve previously killed 20 percent of Koreans total.
Except they don’t? Any North Koreans who cross the border to China get deported back to NK and punished with hard labor or death
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/repatriate-08292023143955.html/ampRFA
Btw the order to not have them outside of the DPRK comes from sanctions because of their nuclear program, not because the DPRK is forcing them back.
Because this would definitely happen with regular workers…
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Source?
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/forced-relocation-07202022182032.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-north-korean-defector-tried-to-escape-2018-6?amp
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/year-girl-fled-north-korea-faces-repatriation-arrest/story?id=62798702
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/19/asia/north-korean-defector-interview-intl/index.html
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kObDS-eXgA
Come on now these are NOT hard to find.
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