no! downvotes are cool

but only when they happen to others

yes please

why did people downvote this? i thought this community was “no stupid questions” not “we’re all better than you because you’re question sucks and your stupid”

so, i do think christians hate gay people, i guess i just don’t see them doing the whole throwing gays off the rooftops. even if it’s just the “availability heuristic” affecting my views and not based on the number of gays thrown off roofs, i just have only seen Muslims do that

I believe a lot of what you are saying at this point, that it probably technically is genocide

even if i believe you, i lack political power to do anything

i am barely getting by in this world at times

i don’t know if i think land should be owned by certain governments or people, i really think people should be able to go anywhere and live there if they want to. the problem is people have different cultural views and these views aren’t compatible. like conservative iraqi people probably wouldn’t want a large number of liberal gays moving there and demanding change just like liberal cities in the US wouldn’t want a bunch of conservative muslims moving to the area and demanding change. muslim countries sometimes treat women terribly. the countries in which women can’t learn math are mostly muslim. right now there are females who are intelligent enough to be computer scientists or mathematicians who are wearing burkas they can’t remove in public and who aren’t allowed to read math books and are literally slaves due to an absence of rights. i can’t imagine the horror of being an intelligent woman in that situation. people of different cultures sometimes have different birth rates too so in democratic societies if people with conservative or misogynistic values and higher birth rates move to the area, there’s a risk that eventually women won’t be able to learn math and gays won’t be able to marry or even live without fear of state execution for their orientation if the population changes and it results in cultural shifts.

in many ways, this is completely irrelevant because even if i am scared of conservative muslim culture, it doesn’t make genocide okay. i am not sure if Palestinians are even that conservative, they probably aren’t. i just don’t know if believe that muslim culture will gradually become more tolerant. i tend to believe that once muslims become a majority, they tend to become more openly conservative and there’s a higher risk of them demanding sharia law and successfully getting it passed. if sharia law passes, i die, that’s what it means for me, so i am fearful of muslim cultural spreading as a result. i also don’t see that many liberal muslims being tolerant of gays. instead, i recall that when canada had a lot of muslim refugees, many muslims were are a large part of a conservative coalition that did not want certain LGBT rights.

i really believe in freedom of religion, and i am anti-genocide, but what is the resolution? when cultures are so different, you have to have different political systems in different areas.

certain land being randomly apportioned to certain cultural and religious beliefs seems so arbitrary to me already

i am not sure audiobooks would help. i find history sort of boring. i believe you that brutality is taking place and it’s wrong.

much in the same way i can do nothing with the ukraine and russia situation, i don’t think there’s anything i can do in this situation either

even if you are right and the two state solution should happen, why hasn’t it happened already? if it hasn’t happened, it must be difficult politically.

I am very ignorant in many ways. The most I know about Palestinian culture is from Bella Hadid. She takes beautiful photos and I think she seems really cool. She’s part Palestinian and seems really nice from the little I know of her. The only other thing I know about Palestinians is they had really hard lives even prior to this and had really restricted movements and limited options. I heard someone say it was like an open air prison. I think that sometimes people in power create cruel situations and then when people rebel after being treated horribly, they use acts of rebellion as evidence that harsher treatment is necessary, and it’s not taking into account a broader view of problems and using power to ignore the entirety of a situation. I don’t think that the attacks that happened on October 7th happened in a vacuum, but I still don’t know how bad the situation in Palestine was before things got worse.

You have a stem background right?

I have a random idea. It is probably a stupid idea. What about having some sort of sign up to get small groups of Palestinians and Israeli people and other International Citizens all sharing perspectives in small groups? Like meetings for cultural understanding?

Perhaps if there were little groups of 4 to 8 people discussing their views and experiences, including experiences of loss and tragedy, without political views of what should happened, but just like to create dialogue about what experiences are like, perhaps there would be more understanding of the frustrations both sides feel. Every group would have to have at least 1 palestinian and 1 jewish person and it would be just be sharing different emotional experiences. I doubt people would be interested. If you have a stem background in computers you could possibly set up some sort of website to do that? I am not a great programmer. Or perhaps another programmer would help? I like the idea but wouldn’t know where to begin. It may be a stupid idea, I don’t know. It would probably difficult due to languages barriers, but perhaps AI could somehow translate everything in real time so people could understand each other. Perhaps if more people talked to each other, there would be more willingness to have options that both groups would like.

You just seem so smart and seem to care about this a lot. I hope you end up finding a way to have even more of an impact. I can sense your intelligence. You’re very smart. What sort of STEM did you study?

I don’t think my islamophobia means that what is happening to civilians is somehow okay. i’m just mentioning my fears as someone within the LGBT community and how it makes me fearful. i am biased in my perspective and i think it’s better for me to acknowledge my bias than pretend it’s not there. i am also scared of christianity too.

Perhaps if small groups of people could somehow talk and have conversations, then people would have a better understanding.

Why is the 2 state solution rejected or hasn’t happened so far?

Did you lose anyone in this conflict?

this is exactly the truth

I don’t think conservative Christians want to throw gay people off roofs, so although both hate gay people, I don’t think they are equivalent

You stated your position, but I have no idea if it’s politically viable

I am asking if there a path to have people stop fighting that is politically feasible, not just something that is right according to various beliefs.

I don’t really see a plan here on how to change things, just a position. Is your position politically feasible? Would anyone agree to it?

I have a hard time reading books because get bored with facts and reading stuff that’s long and don’t like history. I am sure that Palestinian civilians are enduring horrors I can’t totally fathom. I have read enough at this point to know how bad it has been for many civilians there. I believe you are very knowledgeable and you keep supporting your positions with data so you’ve gained enough credibility with me that I take a lot of what you are saying as having a historical basis.

I like reading your posts because you are highly intelligent and include sources in them.

However, I am not sure if these documents mean that they wouldn’t destroy Israel if they could. If all the Jewish adults and children of Israel were on an Island and each Hamas leader had a button that would destroy the island and everyone on it if pressed, I think all the Hamas leaders would probably press their buttons.

I am also still scared of Sharia law because I am part of the LGBT community and that makes me scared of Muslims because sometimes when they get a majority, Sharia law ensues. I am scared enough that I can’t have rational views on this topic.

In all honesty, you are one of the smartest and most knowledgeable people posting on here. Have you ever thought of creating a post just putting forward what you personally think should happen in this situation, with specific ideas for the various government leaders to follow, like an actual specific plan for multiple countries to follow that would be politically feasible? And possibly address concerns that people could have and just reply to them in advance so it would be politically feasible?

Perhaps other people have done this, I don’t know. I’m still too biased to feel like I can have an accurate opinion on this. I know your posts have been more critical that offering suggestions, but I think you are so smart you could actually craft a suggestion on how to solve this whole mess in a politically feasible way that would perhaps appeal to people, laying out specific solutions, time-tables, etc, keeping in mind political feasibility (and addressing concerns of LGBT people and women if you want).

You seem so smart. Are you a journalist or have a doctorate? I can sense your intelligence is formidable. I am not joking when I am saying that, you seem brilliant to me in the little I’ve read, which doesn’t mean I agree with your positions. A hard part of change is not just convincing people but also political feasibility. I am still very scared of a Muslim or more Muslim word. I don’t honestly think as a LGBT person my rights will be preserved if Muslims become a larger percent of the population. It shouldn’t affect discussions like this, people should have rights no matter what, but it’s hard to sympathize with a group of people who would potentially drop me off a building.

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Oh… if only the scientists had warned us something like this could happen…

Oh… wait…

Well, if only the scientists had done something bigger and been louder to get everyone’s attention, like saying global warming is bad and self-immolating in a public place to try to warn people we’re all about to die…

Oh… wait…

Well, don’t worry, the magic sky gods will all take us to paradise once it gets too hot, and they lived happily ever after, the end, Yay! 🎈 🎉

I don’t know if this is right.

Let’s look at global warming and environmental pollution.

I am of the belief that based on the mathematical trends, the bulk of us are all going to die through total environmental collapse within 300 years. If you have a petri dish and there’s bacteria in it, and you give it unlimited nutrients (similar how today’s society uses oil to produce things far beyond what the environment would normally allow), eventually there is bacterial colony collapse due to pollution. If you look at the trends, they are very bad, and because most people don’t understand how math works and don’t really believe in science, or are struggling too much to care, and because many people believe in religions that promise an afterlife and suggest a deity or deities would not allow destruction of the earth due to poor resource management, there’s not really a way to stop this trend. One climate scientist set himself on fire to try to warn people about what is happening. It made the papers, for 1 day, and then people went back to not caring.

I like the idea of what you are saying, but everything is going to end someday, right? Why should this person throw their life away on some cause when they don’t believe in it, to spend their life changing something that may not be changeable?

People believe in religion. And people are stupid. You can’t deprogram everyone, there’s too many religious idiots. And therefore we’re all going to die because people believe in fairy tales and not environmental science.

So that being said, does political activism even make sense? If the lemmings are all about to fall off the cliff, do you try to stop them? Do you try to convince them as they are falling off the cliff? What if you are tied up and they are carrying you off the cliff with them? Do you keep trying to reason with them? At what point do you just take a deep breath and enjoy the view? (I know lemmings don’t really do this.)

Even if you think the highly intelligent people of the world should band together to try to stop the madness of the others who can’t understand science and logic, how would it be possible? Reasoning with them doesn’t work, trying to impact politics doesn’t work because either capitalists are greedily exploiting people and therefore want to hold political power or communists are too obsessed with controlling people and let the environment become destroyed as a result, or the government is controlled by religious zealots in which the goal is relieving the existential anxiety of many people through made up fairy tales. There’s not really a way to stop this train, of environmental catastrophe. Look at the graphs, study how the oceans work, look at how pollution is exponentially increasing. Small changes will not improve things. You also have seemingly “smart” people who are often either psychopathic or autistic advocating for a greater population and saying global warming is a scam and some of them are high profile people and often their beliefs are either rooted in nihilism, selfishness, or the belief that technological progress will somehow be some sort of deus ex machina savior that will swoop down and change exponential trends and this confuses the stupid religious people that make up the bulk of society who think that if high profile smart people don’t believe in global warming, then everything is fine. It’s not actually just global warming, it’s massive amounts of pollution, all sorts of different kinds, massive amounts of environmental destruction, all sorts of kinds. And so while we’re debating abortion rights and pronouns and the minutia of LGBT and religious intersectionality, the exponential trends do not care and keep on exponenting.

So yeah, I think what you’re posting is a noble idea. But… it may not matter. Unless a large part of the population dies, without destroying the environment in the process, this planet ain’t going to be that habitable for that much longer, and even with a huge reduction in population it’s probably too late. When bacterial colonies collapse, it isn’t slow and gradual… everything is fine… everything is fine… then WHAM!!! a huge sudden decline and barely any bacteria are able to survive. It’s possible I’m reading all the data wrong, and everything will be fine. I don’t know though, it doesn’t look good to me. The biggest wild card seems like it’s the oceans and what happens to the planet when the oceans fundamentally change due to chemical properties being changes in aggregate and whether tipping points will suddenly result in changes wildly increasing even faster. People don’t really listen to good smart scientist that much when there’s no profit motive to listen. That guy who set himself on fire to try to warn people really tried, he was really trying to warn people. And it did nothing. I think the only way this planet ends up surviving without becoming nearly uninhabitable is if a worse pandemic shows up and eliminates over 2/3rd of people. That will probably end up happening, either accidentally or intentionally by someone or a government that can see the data and ends up making the hard ugly decision.

I like your post, but I like the post too about just enjoying life as much as you can. This conflict isn’t minutia of course and perhaps it’s worth fighting for, but against the backdrop of looming environmental catastrophe and scientific illiteracy, combined with a planet literally primarily controlled by people who believe in religion, which is all balderdash, is there really a reason to keep trying to change society? You can’t reason with math, or have optimism and a dialogue with math. It’s just math.

It’s a lot like how Ozempic has changed people’s perception of obesity. It used to all be about will power and diets and exercise. Even Oprah was saying you could change things. And then Ozempic came along, and we all realized will power only did so much, and a lot of it was just math and brain chemistry and free will was perhaps an illusion when it came to obesity. It’s the same with religion and irrationality and autistic CEO millionaires who say everything is fine, as long as we leave the planet before it collapses, and it’s the same with politicians and corporate industry groups that try to make policy favorable to their bottom line: the disgusting aspects of humanity that are dooming us are a part of nature too. Religion is nature, ozempic is nature, war is nature. We have no control and never did. It doesn’t mean that “giving up” is always rational.

However, look at the data. It’s too late. We’re too late. The change already had to happen. And it didn’t. Now we wait to all die. Perhaps a worse pandemic will save what’s left of the planet. I don’t claim to be right about any of this. Listen to the guy who set himself on fire, not me. He was pretty sure.

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When my teeth don’t look as white as I want, I just take a cup and add in some baking soda, some fresh cyanide, and then drink the entire cup. I repeat this for the next week and it leads to compliments later about my wonderful smile.

there could be lesbians there. i still think “satanism and nudity” probably means they are arresting LGBT people, but it’s hard to know

I am guessing “satanism and nudity” means LGBT people, and I am guessing it means a gathering of gay people, most of them dressed but some shirtless.

if only i had written “stay humble, bitch” the people of lemmy would like me 😭

Even if you want to be mad at her for being rich and being part of the oligopoly that is creating suffering and impending environmental doom, can you blame her for requesting the portrait be taken down? It’s really unflattering and doesn’t look that much like her. She didn’t demand it, she asked. No one likes being humiliated, and that portrait probably made her feel terrible. There’s nothing wrong with making a request, most people in her position would do the same.

She should create a foundation to called “The Institute for Reduced World Suffering” and make the charter bylaws include her picture on anything sent out, any website, any marketing material, and her photo must be on any material generated by the organization, and it can only be 1 type of picture that she chooses, then she should have an artist do a really flattering picture of her that makes her look nice. In the Institute’s first year, she should offer 10 10,000 grants to those who study reduced world suffering and in announcing the grants opportunity she could include her picture in the advertisements. She could let anyone apply and she chooses the winners. She could turn a strange situation into something wonderful if she wants.