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  • A desktop application that does a great job as a non-destructive photo editor is found easily in darktable (and others). A mobile application that does a great job as a non-destructive photo editor is found easily in other apps. Unfortunately, they are not the same app/ecosystem.

    Lightroom’s secret sauce is that they have the same app (or rather ecosystem) that handles both cases. You can take pics on mobile, edit them on mobile or desktop seamlessly. And you can import on desktop and edit on mobile. All originals go to desktop (LR Classic) for safe backup (using your own system/storage). I can peruse/edit/maintain my catalog/albums from any device (ie via smartphone if I’m waiting for my kids away from home…)

    It is for this reason that I pay Adobe. Grudgingly.

    I don’t care about the AI/fancy editing stuff Adobe has - it’s a distraction from the real requirement (well, for me, at least!)

    I have never come across a Linux-capable (let alone FOSS) setup that can do this. Personally I think it’s very unlikely to ever happen as a FOSS setup as this requires an enterprise level design that, frankly, requires money to be done reliably. (I’m not knocking the amazing past, present and future accomplishments in FOSS-land - this just needs an approach that does not typically lend itself to FOSS).

    I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

    I’d gladly pay for an full solution based in Linux that can do what Adobe can do here. But it doesn’t seem to exist.

    In the meantime, I keep kicking the darktable tires to see if there’s a path forward for me.



  • Yes - it certainly is weaker than the desktop (classic) LR, but it matches the mobile app quite well (and syncs to the desktop). This is the secret sauce. I can do simple smartphone pics, edit them and they will merge with main catalog. I can further refine on desktop (or vice versa) and it all syncs, and my originals stay with the desktop (the further backed up via whatever mechanism I want).

    I applaud the idea of interoperability for the FOSS applications, but pulling this particular feat (the use case I describe above) off is non-trivial and requires enterprise level architecture and coordination. It’s a very different type of challenge than making a great non-destructive editor with local organization. I don’t mind paying for this sort of thing, but I wish it was officially offered in Linux-land. Wine is great (if it works) but it injects a substantial risk of breaking as applications get updated.

    Would love to run Linux everywhere, but there needs to be official support from some key companies for that to happen. It’s a difficult thing for them to justify (rightly or wrongly). I don’t think open-source alone will solve things. Unfortunately…

    Oh well - I got off topic here. But I was toying with trying another switch to Linux just this weekend and this is front of mind…


  • I’m interested to see how this project turns out.

    Honestly, Adobe is is one of two main reasons I have not had success switching (back) to Linux. The secret sauce with Adobe Lightroom (Classic and CC) is the ability to take pics from any device (phone, old DSLR w/manual imports, downloads) and edit from my phone, or desktop seamlessly regardless of source, all in same catalogue, with non-destructive edits sync’d bidirectionally. I also get all originals sync’d tho main computer to merge in with my overall backup strategy. None of the open source offerings have this, though I keep checking in on it every few years. I’m sure Darktable is great - it may even be better than LR, but without the easy interoperability/synchronization, it’s not viable in my situation. I would not expect a solution like this to be free. I’m happy to pay for it. If Adobe offered real Linux compatibility, I’d pay for it in a heartbeat (and would gladly switch to a different company if it existed).

    For video other graphic stuff, I can live with the silos and happily run Shotcut (or KDENLive) and Krita.

    If it wasn’t for my other windows dependency, I’d switch and get by with running Lightroom virtually, and put up with the loss of other applications/features (on the Linux host) that I can live without.

    (My other dependency is NI Maschine (music production). The hardware - and the feature set I’ve paid for and use simply won’t run on Linux. I briefly considered running it virtually in Windows but ended up giving my head a shake because of the Rube Goldberg machine I’d end up making to have anywhere close to the functionality I have now).

    I’d be thrilled to switch back to Linux (I used it for years as a daily driver).




  • Honestly, the main reason is no fun anymore is the lack of a decent app (I loved BaconReader - YMMV). Since the UX has been downgraded severely (most have lost their preferred app), the user base, community and content have suffered.

    I’d have been content to pay a reasonable subscription fee to keep using BaconReader. I’d even pay for ad removal - I’m not after a free ride. However, an enjoyable ride is now unavailable be it free or paid.

    So, here’s Lemmy. I hope it works out long term, but the growing pains associated with scaling are not to be underestimated. I suspect the challenges will be less technical in nature than in user wrangling and moderation. (though running the tech ops mustn’t be underestimated).

    TLDR - Yes.