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  • It’s the correct decision that will never happen - Children have no rights+ in modern society.

    Any zealous religious parent being told they can’t bring up their child in their religion would throw an absolute shitfit.

    +The only “right” of a child is framed in terms of parental responsibilities.


  • It’s not a misreading at all. In many fundamentalist sects (such as the one I left) that’s the dogmatic truth of those verses.

    Everything material is sinful and holding you back.

    I have lived with and continue to love many religious people - that does not make them rational. That does not make their religious beliefs OK. With all the love in their hearts they still participate in evil and coercive control of others. They are particularly dangerous in that they believe in their heart of hearts that they are doing the right thing.

    This is the reality of religion: it is dangerous, coercive, self propagating brain washing that forces people into shape. It creates panopticons. Window twitching neighbors that snitch and shun.

    This is true of all religion. In Christianity it’s true of southern baptist and Lutheran’s and Christian scientists and episcopalians and Jehovah’s Witnesses and 7th day Adventists and Mormons and Catholics and Orthodox and …



  • all earthly possessions

    Matthew 6:19-34 and Luke 18:22-25

    Pretty unequivocal: give up everything and serve God.

    there is no coercion within Islam to wear a hijab, kinda like how there is no coercion within Christianity to be a virgin.

    The fuck there isn’t. Coercion in Christian sects is rampant. Your parents finding out you’re not a virgin will have you disowned in plenty of Christian households.

    People who want to oppress women will do it regardless of means

    And people who want to murder will do it regardless of means. That doesn’t allow us to throw up our hands and let murder cults exist. Instead we extirpate them, outlaw them, stamp them out both legally and culturally.

    To distinguish them, just get their confidence and ask them in a safe environment.

    Pragmatically speaking this is, unfortunately, the best we can hope for. I’m not talking about pragmatics here though: I’m talking about fundamentals. Theory. What is a truly polite society?

    It’s not one where religious coercion is allowed to fester.


  • And Christians are supposed to give up all early possessions, renounce sex and serve God all their days.

    What’s your point? Theory means fuck all.

    Religions are coercive social structures. You cannot distinguish those doing it willingly from those corrected into “proper behavior”. As such a civil society can permit neither.

    Re: downvotes - no idea why it’s not working, but your anger is obvious enough without it


  • Choosing to wear a hijab is totally cool, as long as it’s not because of a religion.

    Religion uses coercion and indoctrination to control people.

    It doesn’t matter if it’s state sanctioned or not: the social contract imposed by religion is violence. It doesn’t matter if it’s the government threatening jail time or your friends threatening social isolation. It’s coercive.

    And you can’t distinguish between those who do it willingly and those who are forced: so a civil society can permit neither.