shrug it’s a post currently showing up in “all”.

Go ahead and get another last word in if you like - you’re arguing with your own ghosts, mostly. Have a good night.

Pretty clear that’s the case here in the comments on this post.

Kinda cringey.

They are, in accordance with the teachings of Jim the Stegosaurus.

I don’t have a horse in this race, but man, let it drop. The person who’s fighting for ridiculous improbabilities here is you. Nobody you’re arguing with in this thread is even making a claim that Magic Jesus existed. Just that the man named Jesus who is talked about by the early Christians likely existed (which is scholarly consensus, not even a niche claim). They’re specifically not claiming that the fantastical claims made by the early Christians about that man are true.

It was three distinct points. But it wouldn’t matter if I did reason it out for you - your stance is emotive, and you won’t agree with me unless that viewpoint underlying your stance changes, and it won’t change due to someone reasoning it out for you.

The slow grind of time, and the steady erosion by nature may cause you to change, though. Fortunately, whether it does or not, it’s basically irrelevant to me whether or not you believe or act as I do.

Nature will undoubtedly provide a grisly and cruel death. Animals don’t have a concept of “long, well-lived life full of meaning.” They do have a direct experience of “having food and shelter and being generally free of pain is enjoyable.”

It doesn’t matter if it’s in their prime (before they decline and life becomes difficult) or of it’s after their prime - except that if you wait too long, life starts to suck pretty bad.

If you want to end predation, you’ll have an eternal task on your hands.

Except in rare circumstances, mostly human ones, animals (including humans) don’t want to die, and die anyways.

The best we can give them is a fervent life and a humane death. The meat industry is atrocious at this, and carbon dioxide is a terrible idea - particularly when nitrogen is readily available, humane, and cheap.

Nailed it.

There’s a legal obligation to extract the most value for your shareholders. This doesn’t apply in sole proprietorships or partnerships with a more centralized ownership, where there’s the realistic potential to have a conversation with one of the others (or internally) and say things like “let’s do y, because doing x would be fucked, even if it made me more money.”

In a publicly traded company, you can literally be sued by your shareholders for not putting profits first. This puts a background pressure that slants the odds in favor of enshitification. And whole industries are based on utilizing slightly uneven odds, so that has a real impact.

As you said - without being publicly traded, people can still be evil, but they aren’t nearly as likely.

Kidding is irrelevant. Your interpretation is irrelevant. Surrender is inevitable. You will be assimilated.

Yeah, it’s like a Star Wars themed ad saying “feel the power of the dark side of the force! Use your hate, buy Microsoft things!”

It’s ironic how unironic it is.

I do what I can to give my animals a good life. Mostly, that means keeping them protected and giving them a lot of space.

I definitely hate factory farming. It’s a cancer, and allows people to eat meat without processing death. …and so, in soft ways that have hard consequences, they look away from death, and look away from any conflict -or only enough to decry it, and complain that someone should do something about it. But that mentality pervades everything they do.

Thanks for contributing to the ultimate destruction of factory farming. You have my respect.

Lol I didn’t downvote you, and your self-righteousness is more of a block to getting the industry changed than it is a benefit.

Swallow your pride, don’t be a dick. Be humble, be honest about how you feel, and live up to your own ideals. But being an insufferable twat just drives people away from your ideals - you should really only do that to insufferable twats, otherwise, the thing you stand for isn’t saving animals, it’s self-righteous intolerance - and people look at you and think “glad I’m not like that guy.”

Win the hearts and minds, don’t just stab people for being wrong - or you’ll keep stabbing until you finally stab yourself to death.

I eat animals I grow, except in a few exceptional circumstances - minimal enough that, if everybody ate meat the way I do, the industry would fall.

It’s good you’re living up to what you believe in. It’s a bad idea to live off of suffering you can’t yourself bear.

Yep. It’s not the way of life, it’s the pretentious self-righteousness, and most people aren’t that way. Is like the ‘bad Christians’ fucking it up for all the ones that are basically love-and-forgiveness believers that are largely benign.

Most people - Christians, vegans, meat eaters, or whatever - are generally pretty chill. It’s the inciters that suck.

That moral high ground you’re claiming looks to me like just another niche for life to exist. …but you’re not going to stop predation, carnivorous or omnivorous. That you think it’s a good idea to do so is just eye-rollingly banal.

I don’t hate that people choose to be vegan. I hate the self-righteous bullshit humans get about veganism, science, religion, politics, and anything else they start considering a moral high ground.

You don’t have a moral high ground. You have a biological and/or social niche. That’s enough to be proud of, without dissing other people’s shit, or pretending yours doesn’t stink.

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So I can legit just tell my vegan friends that they’re drunk when they say weird shit.

…now, for the rest of my friends…

Yep. She the better life they have, the better for you, too.

I don’t eat much meat, but I enjoy it. I also do my own slaughtering and butchering for most of my meat.

Of course, with a cow, that gets to be far more than a one-person job.

Classic “don’t let prefect be the enemy of good.”

When people reduce their commercial meat intake in favor of veggies, or humanely raised and slaughtered meat, they are having a beneficial effect. Period.