Kids were pushed for decades to take large loans at age 18 because they were told constantly that if they didn’t go to college, they’d be stuck flipping burgers, digging ditches or whatever. Of course they’d take the loan at that point. Honestly, they’ve been set up to fail. This is just another tool used to trap people in wage slavery. Forgive the damn debt. I don’t care if it’s “unfair” to those who don’t have college debt. I don’t, but I still want it to happen.

I hope that this ends up being the right decision. The Dems must really, truly think they can’t win with Joe Biden. Kudos to Joe for setting his ego aside, I know that can’t have been easy. Let’s unite behind whoever gets picked and beat Trump.

It’s a long read, but it’s a good read, and it’s worth your time. This is what we’re up against; the christofascists are organizing, they’re taking their shot now to end secularism. They know their ideas are unpopular, but it doesn’t take much to flip an election. This is their best shot at creating a dystopian theocratic nightmare and they are pulling as many levers as possible(whether it’s getting vote out from Christians, sowing election doubt, or pounding societal wedge issues) to get Trump in. This is both a last-ditch effort from those who know that Christianity’s influence in society will continue to wane, but also one in which they have a good chance of succeeding. They are all in. Are we? I doubt it. We need to be.

The crowd just stood around bewildered throughout the whole thing. I mean, I do kinda get it, that weird pop sound in the video sounds too faint, unlike gunfire. Funny how he had time to mug for the camera after the “shooting”.

The last fucking thing we need is Donald Trump the living martyr.

EDIT: Apparently a shooter is dead and one of the rally attendees died, too. Guess this was indeed legit. https://apnews.com/live/election-biden-trump-campaign-updates-07-13-2024

This is anecdotal, but the vibes I’m getting in offline conversations make me think that his low approval rating is accurate. There’s a lot of “Biden is too old, and hasn’t done much(which isn’t entirely true), but I’ll vote against Trump.” That’s great and all, but I live in a deep blue city(Seattle) and, honestly, I am deeply concerned about people who are more moderate, who aren’t as vehemently anti-Trump. I think the disconnect here is that we differ greatly in our faith that the Dems will turn out. They responded well in 2020 to kick Trump out, but I don’t know how much that fire still burns in the voting populace. Some people respond better to carrots than sticks, and while the threat of Trump is a hell of a stick, Biden is not much of a carrot. Not to say that Biden hasn’t done some good things, but I feel that the media and Russia have hammered Biden enough that I think the damage is done.

That being said, however, I’m going to disengage here, and try to refrain from advocating that Biden step down going forward. Posting this thread was a mistake on my part, and I’ll take full responsibility for it. Anything that dampens enthusiasm for the Democratic nominee should be avoided at all costs, and by posting this thread and suggesting that Biden should be replaced, I was simply doing Russia’s job for them, and for that, I’m sorry. It’s not like we have any power over the situation to begin with. The party will decide whether to stick with Biden or not, and it’s our job to help make sure they defeat the fascists.

American elections, in a nutshell, come down to this. Turnout. Motivate your voters to go to the polls en masse, and you win. There just isn’t that many swing voters, especially in an election like this where both candidates have been President. The reason this has been catastrophic for Biden is that appearing to be old and out of touch tends to depress enthusiasm. Combine that with the short memories of the voters and you’ll have people not bothering to vote because “both options are bad”. As we get further and further from Trump’s presidency, people’s memories start to fade, they think to themselves, “oh, he wasn’t THAT bad, we had more money back then.” There’s also lots of people who haven’t heard about Project 2025, aren’t paying attention to Trump saying that he’ll be a dictator on the first day, etc. They will naively think to themselves that it can’t happen here, that the U.S. is somehow special. Biden’s margin of victory in some of the swing states was minuscule, and that was at the height of Anything But Trump sentiment. We absolutely cannot afford to have anyone stay home. Maybe some of the post Roe effect will help spur turnout. I don’t know. But presidential elections are unfortunately just a popularity contest. I really do think we need to see if there’s someone charismatic that we can roll the dice on. Because “Not Trump” won’t be enough, and that’s pretty much all Biden ever had going for him.

Honestly, I don’t think this rhetoric is helpful anymore. As vile and disgusting as it is, we don’t have a viable anti-genocide option. We need to pick our battles. I’m pretty left-leaning myself, so if you’ll indulge me, this is why I feel compelled to grudgingly vote for the Democratic ticket.

Biden is a garden variety conservative corporate stooge, which has basically been the best case scenario ever since Reagan killed the New Deal. The billionaires that control this country aren’t going to allow an administration that pushes back on imperialism and empire. Thus, we never get a chance to elect someone who’d actually stand up to Israel. Just look at what happened to Bernie. I voted uncommitted in the primary because I was furious about the genocide, but, electorally, that’s about all I can truly do. The first past the post system actively punishes people who vote third party, and not voting against Trump is not an option for me. I’m a trans woman. I do not have the luxury of ideological purity. I have to vote for whomever the Democrats put up because Trump will institute a dictatorship that could very well have me put to death. After the “Supreme” Court’s decision to allow immunity for presidents, I am even more convinced that the Republicans cannot ever be allowed to take power again. If the U.S. goes fully fascist, its influence will be as such that the current right wing wave in the West will be like a tiny ripple.

I hate the position we’re in. It sucks. This country has been so utterly inundated with anti-left propaganda that people think liberalism is far left. We should be organizing and radicalizing everyone we can, 100%. I’m hoping that this late stage capitalist hellscape we’re living in will help with that. But, even then, it’s going to be a painfully slow process. We have six years olds being forced to swear that they won’t betray the country every morning at school. Few people ever seem to stop and think just how fucking weird the Pledge of Allegiance is. When people are that indoctrinated, it’ll take a Herculean effort to get them to realize they’ve been lied to their whole life. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing, but we’re not going to be able to snap our fingers, elect a president from the Green party, and everything will be all better. It doesn’t work like that. Change comes from the bottom up, by changing hearts and minds. People won’t like to hear this, but we need to be patient until our efforts bear fruit.

So, we need to buy time. Failing to thwart Trump’s dictatorship pretty much only leaves the last resort, revolution. Biden is too milquetoast to order purges. However, Trump will have no scruples cracking down on his “enemies”. With how open we all are on social media, it would be trivial for someone in control of the three letter agencies to find us all. If this were a normal election, I’d be fine with people voting their conscience. I get it. I’d love to vote for the Socialist ticket. But I have to engage with the world as it really is. I had to set aside my idealism in favor of pragmatism.

I did, actually, in another comment further down the thread.

I suspect that most voters won’t even think about that. This is the same voterbase that likes to vote based on who they’d rather have a beer with. I’d rather have a more informed populace, obviously, but the powers that be keep control by encouraging political ignorance, or failing that, learned helplessness. In the U.S., people legitimately think liberalism is left wing. How many Americans are capable of actually defining socialism? I don’t want to infantilize people, but we’ve got to work with what we have, and what we have is a deeply propagandized population that’s choosing apathy and despair in the specter of fascism. Joe Biden’s approval rating is 37%. People do not like him. The media keeps hammering him because they want Trump back(Trump brings views and much of the mainstream media has been captured by billionaires). The margin of victory in the swing states last time was so slim that a few thousand staying home this time around would flip it. I would be fine with another Biden term. We could Weekend at Bernie’s him through and everything would be fine. I just have severe doubts that people would see it my way, and so I feel his electability has tanked.

I really hope I’m wrong.

I do agree with that. Trump should 100% drop out. Unfortunately, his base loves the evil shit, and he might still feel that getting elected will keep himself out of jail, so there’s no way he’s going to.

But, yeah, the media is absolutely screwing us here. They deserve all the condemnation we can give them. We understand that we’re voting for an administration, and not just one man, but does the country as a whole realize that? I doubt it. Civics education in the U.S. is abysmal.

I also kinda cynically think that maybe if we subbed in someone with high name recognition and at least decent favorability, that the media and the Russian disinformation engine won’t have enough time to hack together a hitjob on them. I don’t know, I’m just spitballing and huffing copium here, I think. Need to keep my hopes up somehow.

From the transcript:

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: And if you stay in and Trump is elected and everything you’re warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in January?

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: I’ll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job as I know I can do, that’s what this is about. Look, George. Think of it this way. You’ve heard me say this before. I think the United States and the world is at an inflection point when the things that happen in the next several years are gonna determine what the next six, seven decades are gonna be like.

And who’s gonna be able to hold NATO together like me? Who’s gonna be able to be in a position where I’m able to keep the Pacific Basin in a position where we’re-- we’re at least checkmating China now? Who’s gonna-- who’s gonna do that? Who has that reach? Who has-- who knows all these pe…? We’re gonna have, I guess a good way to judge me, is you’re gonna have now the NATO conference here in the United States next week. Come listen. See what they say.

Even the full quote doesn’t fill me with confidence. Biden’s approval rating is about 37%, which is where George H. W. Bush’s was, and he didn’t get re-elected. You’d have to go back to Truman to find a president that got re-elected with a similar approval percentage. At this point, I don’t think the incumbent advantage will save us.

I really am absolutely terrified that my life might be riding on this election. Honestly, I’m at the point where I don’t really care what it takes, the fascists must not be allowed to prevail. If that means moving on from Biden, fine. If it means guilting freaking Michelle Obama into running, fine. But if Biden is going to stay the nominee, he needs to recapture the American people’s confidence somehow, and I’m not sure how he’s going to do it.

also, here’s where I got the approval ratings data from:

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-BIDEN/POLL/nmopagnqapa/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/311825/presidential-job-approval-related-reelection-historically.aspx

It definitely seems like the Dems are beginning to manufacture consent for replacing Biden on the ticket. I’m skeptical as to whether that’d be the right play here, but every option needs to be on the table to give them the best chance at preventing a second Trump term.

Justice Sotomayor did not hold back in her dissent:

"Looking beyond the fate of this particular prosecution, the long-term consequences of today’s decision are stark. The Court effectively creates a law-free zone around the President, upsetting the status quo that has existed since the Founding. This new official-acts immunity now “lies about like a loaded weapon” for any President that wishes to place his own interests, his own political survival, or his own financial gain, above the interests of the Nation. The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today. Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law.

The majority’s single-minded fixation on the President’s need for boldness and dispatch ignores the countervailing need for accountability and restraint. The Framers were not so single-minded. In the Federalist Papers, after “endeavor[ing] to show” that the Executive designed by the Constitution “combines . . . all the requisites to energy,” Alexander Hamilton asked a separate, equally important question: “Does it also combine the requisites to safety, in a republican sense, a due dependence on the people, a due responsibility?” The Federalist No. 77, p. 507 (J. Harvard Li- brary ed. 2009). The answer then was yes, based in part upon the President’s vulnerability to “prosecution in the common course of law.” Ibid. The answer after today is no. Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop. With fear for our democracy, I dissent."

The killer here is that we don’t really have any recourse. Like, the best case scenario is what, wait until some of the right wing justices pass away and hope that the Democrats have both the presidency and the Senate? And, even then, it would take a long time to undo the damage the Roberts Court has wrought. Maybe THIS will get the Dems to ditch the filibuster and pack the court. Of course, that would require the Democratic party as a whole to show some fight, something they refuse to do for some reason.

I can’t help but think this is them trying to institute mandatory indoctrination of the so-called 'woke youth". I’m not sure it’d actually work, though. When I was stuck in the military, I met a ton of people from many different backgrounds. If anything, I got even more left-wing in my time there. It seemed that to me, the lifers skewed Republican quite a bit, while junior personnel were all over the place politically.

Why they’re floating this now, I have no idea. The draft is something that people tend to vote against, after all.

Wait, “sermon on the mound”? I’m not even Christian and I know it’s the Sermon on the Mount.

Convicted Felon Donald Trump. Let us hope that his downfall is nigh.

I start to check out once someone starts talking about “the economy”. It’s just a rich person circlejerk about “line goes up”. It doesn’t really impact me at all unless I get laid off. I guess, technically, I have a 401k but I doubt I’d ever truly be able to retire.

Besides, I’m barely making ends meet. Any praise of the economy is going to ring hollow in my ears, because I sure as hell am not seeing any of the windfall.

Good. She can’t win; she’d only function as a spoiler. Not that I’d want her to win anyway, she was awful. I still remember that weird thumbs down into curtsy motion she made to kill a bill (I think it was to increase the federal minimum wage). Had real “fuck the poors” energy.

How shocking it is that someone dumb enough to work for Trump is dumb enough to lie to prosecutors. Guess he isn’t getting away with just probation after all.