Ohh, I know, I was just making a joke cuz ed will print ? when it doesn’t recognize a command and many people will see that over and over if they can’t figure out how to exit lol

I also got lost in vi and ed when I first used them lol

Tbh if I’m just making quick edits to config files or whatever I use nano lmao

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If you like Unixy editors, highly recommend also looking into acme

Russ Cox describes it in this video as more like an “integrating development environment” as in it works with your surrounding operating system rather than an “integrated development environment”

Doesn’t shine as much on Unix as in Plan 9 though. Also no linter or formatter built into or distributed with acme but you probably could get your language’s usual tools to work pretty well with it

Ed is the standard text editor.

Why don’t they just move to El Salvador if they like Bitcoin so much

Plan 9 posting

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We are so back

OpenBSD, RISC-V, and 9front mentioned?

Haven’t listened to BSDNow in a while, but maybe I’ll listen to this episode

Programmers can trust language security features too much…

Of course, they’re nice to have and really can make things easier to implement securely but it’s still very easy to introduce security problems or bugs into any code. This is just an unsolvable problem of writing imperative code. All imperative code will reliably have memory leaks (even in Java!) and security holes because no compiler can check to see if you thought of everything.

And large and complex compilers/interpreters with these security features can end up introducing their own security problems or bugs in the process of implementing them.

I’m just tired of people entirely dismissing languages like C because they don’t have these features. Especially when the operating systems their code runs on and their languages may even be implemented in C!

C is very reliable. It works almost everywhere with very little resources or overhead and many of the most fundamental parts of our systems (that have to work reliably) are written in C. Many of the languages in that image are even implemented in C.

If you want to write portable, fast, and simple code C can help you with that if you use it in the right way.

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Thanks for deleting your post. I hope our two communities can live and share in peace. There are certainly some hexbears over here who have been too antagonistic as well as some people here who seem to want to stir things up.

:blahaj-heart: (we have no such emoji on our instance but maybe you do lol)

Or maybe terminal emulation needs to be brought up to speed with modern computing. New terminal specs and all that.

Yeah, I agree. I should have been more clear lol. See my other comment.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I agree with you. I’m not talking about text-based interfaces and commands. I just mean the way Unix/POSIX handles “terminals” (devices that accept streams of characters according to a protocol established in the 70s) is an antiquated way of handling simple plain text streams. It made sense back then when there was a need to send commands to dumb terminals in-band with the plaintext but this doesn’t really make sense these days when your “terminal” is actually just a program pretending to be a dumb terminal running inside a window. When was the last time you used job control instead of opening another window?

Satire or not, it’s still correct lol. Terminals and terminal emulation need to be destroyed. Modern systems with graphics and windowing systems are not VT100s and that’s a good thing.