I guess calling ancient Jewish people murderers and then saying, “maybe nothing has changed” is totally cool to you or something?
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I guess calling ancient Jewish people murderers and then saying, “maybe nothing has changed” is totally cool to you or something?
Why did you say “jews” and not “jewish extremists” like… what are you even talking about… Who are the jewish extremists youre even talking about in the first century lmao and what do present day zionists have to do with jewish extremists from the first century besides them both being jewish??
You clearly haven’t even thought for 2 seconds about what it is that you said. Maybe you ought to when making claims about jewish people. I despise zionism, just as I despise the IDF and the state of Israel. I would never make an allusion to some connection between modern zionists and ancient jewish people. You said jews and you meant it. Get out of the anti-zionist movement for god sake.
Interesting then that you chose to link modern zionism with jews in ancient Jerusalem. Also interesting is your omission of the term zionist. No, your comment states a continuity from ancient jews to modern ones in the context of the ancient ones having murdered christ. That’s anti-semitism. Whether you will openly agree or not isn’t particularly relevant.
The Jews in Jerusalem sent him to be crucified, so maybe not all that much has changed.
The Implication in that sentence is that the jewish people were firstly responsible for the death of christ, and also that this refers to some underlying nefarious murderous aspect to jewish people that the commenter is suggesting persists to the modern day. How else would you read this comment in the context of this conversation? What else could be intended by “so maybe not all that much has changed.”
I’m very much opposed to the zionist colonial project in it’s entirety.
However, what you are espousing here is blatant anti-semitism.
Do you genuinely think that Joe Biden or Kamala Harris are either one opposed in any way shape or form to the actions of Netanyahu or the Israeli state?
Kamala Harris has come right out and said that she will always support Israel, literally no matter what. Joe Biden has openly declared himself a zionist for the last 4 decades. They are both overwhelmingly supportive of Israeli colonialism and have both committed to funding and arming the Palestinian genocide. This genocide has been happening with guns and money that the Biden administration provided to them. He has had the entirety of the past year to condemn the Palestinian genocide and to recognize Palestine as a free nation. Instead, him and his administration have chosen hundreds of times to interfere in international processes to end the Palestinian genocide. He is very literally a genocide supporter.
Can we please stop pretending that this genocide is a controversial bypartisan issue in American politics? The Republicans and the Democrats are both maintaining official party stances of complete and unconditional support of the Palestinian genocide.
Horrifying, and one day after the government had approved restrictions on the rights of queer people.
I deleted my comment, not really in the mood to argue the many flaws of the judicial system today.
But it’s noteworthy that I don’t believe such a thing as “rule of law” is ever achievable without corruption and that there exist only varying degrees of corruption but more or less every judicial system on earth is corrupt to some extent. I made a much longer writeup responding to you, but again, I felt that I’d rather not spend my day arguing this.
Long and short, the only way the current system works is if you assume that all politicians are acting in good faith and that all voters have equal political power. Neither of these is true on a foundational level, and that is reflected in widespread corruption and manipulation of appointed judges.
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Nah, pigs are shitty everywhere else too. Just in less blatantly militarized ways.
KolibriOS, arguably the smallest modern GUI OS at 1.44MB, could be encoded on ~142 of them. I shouldn’t find that interesting but I do. MikeOS, which is an operating system used to teach about OS design, could fit on ~74.
Making this a very dumb very impractical but nonetheless legitimately viable method for non-electromagnetic OS storage.
I said that it would be just for that to happen, and I would agree in the case of Australia too. Power to decide what happens with their land should be returned to them and it should be up to them ultimately.
You’ll note that I didn’t say that. I said that zionists have no right to be there. They stole Palestinian land, murdered their people, and reduced them to living in a giant open air prison from which they terrorized and bombed them. They deprive them of food water and electricity. They have done their absolute best to eradicate the Palestinian heritage and way of life. They’ve taken again and again and again. They’ve broken every single promise for coexistence. They have no right to be there.
Also, Israel isn’t even a hundred years old. Not even 80. There are original settlers still alive. Most people are second or third generation. It’s not the same as Australia, which was colonized over 200 years ago.
And I’m not proposing that all Israelis be made to leave. In my view zionists and anyone who has been actively involved in the persecution of Palestinians, or in the destruction of the Palestinian nation and heritage, should be made to leave. But I don’t think it should be up to me. It should be up to the Palestinians to determine what happens on their land. And the land that was stolen from them should be returned.
I never made any statement on the legitimacy of anyone’s identity as Jewish. Israel is a country. Israelis are citizens of that country. Jewish people are Jewish people. Israelis are not one and the same with Jewish people.
Jewish people who existed in the region prior to the nakba and the colonization of Palestine were not Israelis. They were not zionists. They coexisted with Muslims in Palestine. Israel was conceived by zionists in Europe. It was a deliberate colonization effort. It didn’t just naturally occur amongst people already living there. Europeans traveled to the region and colonized it, much the same as other Europeans did to North America, Australia, South Asia, etc.
We see all those other colonization efforts as evil and genocidal, which they were. It is much the same with colonization of Palestine. Palestinians should always have had their own nation. They have been told multiple times throughout history both before and after the nakba that they would have their own nation. Israel colonized Palestine and evicted Palestinians from their homes, stole their land from them. They didn’t immigrate to the region to coexist with Palestinians. They came to steal their land, get rid of them, and make their own state on that stolen land.
Zionists? It was zionists who colonized. They did so with the intention of creating a Jewish state.
Decolonization would be… decolonization. Return Palestinian land to the Palestinians. There are still plenty of people alive from the first Nakba. They all deserve their land back. A dissolution of the Israeli state and the creation of a new state of Palestine. Which would necessitate a total dismantling and withdrawal of the entirety of the Israeli state. An international criminal Court to prosecute all crimes against humanity that have ever been committed by the Israeli state. Redistribution of wealth from the Israeli state. How to handle things from there should be up to the new state of Palestine. They have a right to self-determination. Through mediation, but still it should be up to them. It was their land. They have the right to decide what happens with it.
I’d say at the very least the Zionists should go. The entire Israeli state is not composed of zionists. But the entirety of anyone who has ever served in the IDF or the Israeli government should at the least be sent back to the countries they or their fathers came from. Anyone who has participated in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Anyone who has murdered Palestinians. They don’t have a right to be there. But, like I said that’s just what I would think is just. It shouldn’t be up to western white people to decide. Palestinians deserve the right to choose what happens with their homes.
I would say the same thing about America or Canada, to be clear. That decolonizing them would be to return land to the Natives and allow them to form their own states and determine what happens with their land. It’s a more complex question of what they should do from there, but it was always their land and they deserve the power to say what happens with it.
And, to be clear, I’m not saying I believe this is what will happen. Merely what I’m saying ought to happen. What actual justice would look like.
Again, Jewish people are not synonymous with Israelis. Those 1.5% Jewish people were not the zionist colonizers. They had existed there prior to Israel. Israel was created by colonizers who espoused the ideology of zionism, that the Jewish religion had a right to it’s own state and that it had the right to take land away from other people to make that state. This ideology is still in practice today. They are slowly committing ethnic cleansing to expand their state. They believe they have a right to significantly more than just Gaza or the West Bank. Which they never had the right to begin with. They displaced millions of people from their homes that had been there for centuries. Millenia in some cases. It is colonization.
Was manifest destiny wrong? Was it wrong for the American settlers to displace native Americans, to steal their land and ethnically cleanse them? Then it is absolutely unequivocally necessarily wrong for the Israelis to do the same to Palestinians.
And so just because there existed discrimination against Jewish people that justifies stealing the land of Palestinian to give them their own state? Why wasn’t one founded anywhere else? Why not colonize somewhere in the middle of Europe? Why not somewhere with sparse population? Why is it fine for them to take Palestinian land and homes and drive them out?
Jewish people are not the same as Israelis. Most Israelis are Jewish, but there are many jewish people who are not Israelis and who are anti-zionist. Colonialism isn’t fine because the colonizers were facing discrimination. That doesn’t justify them committing atrocities and stealing the land of others.
Jewish people have always existed in region, yes. You’ll note that Israel has not always existed in the region. Being Jewish is not synonymous with being an Israeli. The millions of settlers who came to the area to create a Jewish state on Palestinian land were definitionally colonizers. They literally went somewhere that they did not live, somewhere no one in their family had lived, and drove out the people who were already living there. They literally stole homes and stole land from Palestinians living there.
You can peruse my comment history and see how often I argue against zionists and then get back to me on how well I’m doing spreading their propaganda 🙄
The zionist ideology has no relation to ancient Judaism. Aside from its constant allusions to recreating the ancient state of Israel. There is literally no connection. Trying to draw one is to imply that there has been some murderous genocidal element of Jewish people that has existed throughout history and persisted to the present date. Nothing you or anyone else defending the commenter has said makes literally any sense unless you can somehow draw a continuity between ancient Judaism and zionists. You can’t. Zionism came to fruition in the 19th century. It was a concerted colonialist project. It has literally not one single thing to do with the supposed actions of ancient Jewish people.
The commenter also was alluding to Jewish people having been responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. Not that they were radical far right. Specifically that they were responsive for the death of Jesus Christ. That notion whatsoever is a literal mainstay of antisemitism. To then try and allude to something about the “jews who killed christ” that persists and is represented to this day in zionism is textbook definitional antisemitism. It’s saying that jews are murderous in some underlying inherent way. I don’t know what to tell you it’s the truth.
Now, before you accuse me of supporting Israel again, a state I literally believe should be dismantled in its entirety and who I know to be controlled by a genocidal party in a genocidal government with a genocidal military leading over a population indoctrinated to support genocide, kindly go do something else. I’m not a psyop or whatever you’re going to accuse me of being. I’m not an idiot either, I know what is and isn’t antisemitic. Criticism of the state of Israel, of the IDF, of the colonizing ideology of Zionism, none of those things are antisemitic. Trying to say that there is something inherent to Jewish people that makes them nefarious or murderous or evil? That is antisemitic. The commenter made an antisemitic comment. It was removed in like 2 minutes. It was textbook antisemitism. It was not a critique of zionism.