That’s a well intentioned sentiment. So don’t tske any of this as an attack, just a clarification.
We aren’t just all on this journey together, some of us are oppressed by others. Our problems aren’t abstract, they are a consequence of the ruling class engaging in warfare on the rest of us, and that’s what the person above was getting at.
We know we’re people, but we also know that we aren’t people to the ruling class.
Same honey but at different places in the journey.
That is where both of our parties fail is not realizing it’s the same journey. Your more impacts mine and mine impacts yours. Maybe no directly but like ripples when you throw a rock in water.
I buy an iPhone and I am chasing someone to be oppressed making it china.
Okay I’m communist I’m not in one of your parties. I have no idea what you’re talking about journey’s and different places, that doesn’t mean anything. Both of the parties you’re refering to serve the ruling class and help facilitate the oppression of the global working class.
There’s more to it, but at the end of the day there are two classes, the global ruling class who oppress, and the global working class who are oppressed. These aren’t different parts of a “journey”, its a global system of production thst is predicated on the exploitation of one class by the other.
I said the two class theory is overly simple and wrong. I don’t really fit into either class. I do work but I’m far from oppressed. I own three homes, two cars and do about anything I please. I work about 20 hours a week.
I’m also not a ruling class since I just work.
So yes, it’s overly childlike view of the world in my opinion.
I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but it’s not like communists have never heard of capitalists who also do some kind of labor. There aren’t two classes, but rather, there are two very big classes that have contradictory interests and people will be filtered into one of those two. That’s where the fight of capitalism is. Notice how peasantry has almost ceased to exist and most monarchs are ceremonial. Mao Zedong identified 5 classes within Chinese society in 1926: landlords, proletariat, peasantry, urban petite-bourgeoise, and national bourgeoisie. And that’s actually what 4 of the stars on the Chinese flag symbolize, with the largest representing the CPC.
You sound like you’re what’s called petite bourgeois and you identify with the cause and ideology of the bourgeoisie because that’s either something you aspire to or it’s a structure you’re able to take advantage of. Marx identified a transitional faction of capitalists precisely within his essay The Class Struggles in France, 1848–1850, and there’s a brief within the Communist Manifesto.
Basically, Marx said the capitalist class has separate factions who are not all in concert with one another, since not all capitalists have intrinsically similar goals. Some capitalists have contradictory interests to others and want the other abolished. In comparison, the working class have no such contradictory interests, all workers benefit from the same concerns: higher wages, fewer hours, more control over their workplace.
I’d really recommend reading the Marxist theory Althusser on this one too. To summarize, he was one of the theorists who proposed class systems are more of an action one takes and the subsequent ideological formations within it than necessarily a strict divide of class hierarchy.
Industrial production, mostly with simple hand tools and feeding steel parts into welders and presses.
It’s so fucking hot. It’s so fucking hard. I’m so fucking tired. Everyday forever until I’m too old too work, and then I’ll take out a 9mm retirement plan.
No offense, but it seems pretty naive to say things will get better. I try not to jump on conservatives when they are willing to engage, but that’s a pretty rough take.
I am always willing to enrage. I only block those who don’t want to have a conversation.
We are at a weird time in the world. We may have some bumps but it’s hard to image it’ll turn into planet of the apes. Something will have to give and things will improve.
There is a theory I use to laugh at about the cycle of generations. I take it more seriously now days.
Nothing about the way everything’s going is designed to let me feel like a person. Money’s a requirement to simply exist. Everything’s a race to get enough money to sustain myself. I’m simply a worker who generates profit so my parasite of a boss and the associated shareholders can hang out on yachts. My job is nonsense too that doesn’t help anyone. I’m estranged from my family for gender and lifestyle reasons, can’t make friends because I’m always exhausted from work, can’t go to therapy except sparingly because it’s too expensive.
No matter how much validity my humanity holds, none of it really matters if none of it can be expressed due to a combination of alienation and dead eyed pessimism about climate change.
And no, we all aren’t on the same journey together. The economic strata that sits above mine has nothing in common with me.
I am sorry your family won’t accept you for you. If you were my family I’d accept you for you. Hopefully you can get the therapy you need and yes, it’s expensive and it shouldn’t be.
Thank you. And well that’s all fine and good to hope and imagine, but I’ve been trying to actively change things for the past 20 years through socialist organizing. Goes well sometimes, goes poorly most of the time, gotta keep trying anyway .
You’re still a person. We should never forget we are all on this journey together and there is a person on the other end.
Never doubt that.
The last few years have been strange. It feels like a glitch in the matrix but things will get better.
That’s a well intentioned sentiment. So don’t tske any of this as an attack, just a clarification.
We aren’t just all on this journey together, some of us are oppressed by others. Our problems aren’t abstract, they are a consequence of the ruling class engaging in warfare on the rest of us, and that’s what the person above was getting at.
We know we’re people, but we also know that we aren’t people to the ruling class.
Same honey but at different places in the journey.
That is where both of our parties fail is not realizing it’s the same journey. Your more impacts mine and mine impacts yours. Maybe no directly but like ripples when you throw a rock in water.
I buy an iPhone and I am chasing someone to be oppressed making it china.
Yet nobody gives a shit when I bring it up.
Okay I’m communist I’m not in one of your parties. I have no idea what you’re talking about journey’s and different places, that doesn’t mean anything. Both of the parties you’re refering to serve the ruling class and help facilitate the oppression of the global working class.
There’s more to it, but at the end of the day there are two classes, the global ruling class who oppress, and the global working class who are oppressed. These aren’t different parts of a “journey”, its a global system of production thst is predicated on the exploitation of one class by the other.
It’s a metaphor for life.
We are sharing this planet together. My life is not in a vacuum without impacting others.
Yeah I don’t buy the whole two class theory. It’s something we will just have to agree to disagree on. I think it’s an overly simple take on things.
You think Marxism is an overly simple take on things, but think your metaphor about journey’s means anything at all?
I said the two class theory is overly simple and wrong. I don’t really fit into either class. I do work but I’m far from oppressed. I own three homes, two cars and do about anything I please. I work about 20 hours a week.
I’m also not a ruling class since I just work.
So yes, it’s overly childlike view of the world in my opinion.
Yes, my metaphor is real and factual.
I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but it’s not like communists have never heard of capitalists who also do some kind of labor. There aren’t two classes, but rather, there are two very big classes that have contradictory interests and people will be filtered into one of those two. That’s where the fight of capitalism is. Notice how peasantry has almost ceased to exist and most monarchs are ceremonial. Mao Zedong identified 5 classes within Chinese society in 1926: landlords, proletariat, peasantry, urban petite-bourgeoise, and national bourgeoisie. And that’s actually what 4 of the stars on the Chinese flag symbolize, with the largest representing the CPC.
You sound like you’re what’s called petite bourgeois and you identify with the cause and ideology of the bourgeoisie because that’s either something you aspire to or it’s a structure you’re able to take advantage of. Marx identified a transitional faction of capitalists precisely within his essay The Class Struggles in France, 1848–1850, and there’s a brief within the Communist Manifesto.
Basically, Marx said the capitalist class has separate factions who are not all in concert with one another, since not all capitalists have intrinsically similar goals. Some capitalists have contradictory interests to others and want the other abolished. In comparison, the working class have no such contradictory interests, all workers benefit from the same concerns: higher wages, fewer hours, more control over their workplace.
I’d really recommend reading the Marxist theory Althusser on this one too. To summarize, he was one of the theorists who proposed class systems are more of an action one takes and the subsequent ideological formations within it than necessarily a strict divide of class hierarchy.
What book? I am not familiar with Althusser. I do read and often, so I’m always willing to read something else.
I’ve read the communist manifesto back in Army rotc. Communism had just collapsed but it was still required reading.
Optimism is for older generations, who lived the before times when life got better year-after-year.
That has never happened in my entire life.
If you don’t mind me asking. What do you do for a living ?
Industrial production, mostly with simple hand tools and feeding steel parts into welders and presses.
It’s so fucking hot. It’s so fucking hard. I’m so fucking tired. Everyday forever until I’m too old too work, and then I’ll take out a 9mm retirement plan.
I get it.
Once thing we’d probably agree on we’ve let pensions be replaced by inferior programs.
Everyone should be able to retire. Nobody should have to work till they’re 60
No offense, but it seems pretty naive to say things will get better. I try not to jump on conservatives when they are willing to engage, but that’s a pretty rough take.
Things will always get better.
I am always willing to enrage. I only block those who don’t want to have a conversation.
We are at a weird time in the world. We may have some bumps but it’s hard to image it’ll turn into planet of the apes. Something will have to give and things will improve.
There is a theory I use to laugh at about the cycle of generations. I take it more seriously now days.
Nothing about the way everything’s going is designed to let me feel like a person. Money’s a requirement to simply exist. Everything’s a race to get enough money to sustain myself. I’m simply a worker who generates profit so my parasite of a boss and the associated shareholders can hang out on yachts. My job is nonsense too that doesn’t help anyone. I’m estranged from my family for gender and lifestyle reasons, can’t make friends because I’m always exhausted from work, can’t go to therapy except sparingly because it’s too expensive.
No matter how much validity my humanity holds, none of it really matters if none of it can be expressed due to a combination of alienation and dead eyed pessimism about climate change.
And no, we all aren’t on the same journey together. The economic strata that sits above mine has nothing in common with me.
I am sorry your family won’t accept you for you. If you were my family I’d accept you for you. Hopefully you can get the therapy you need and yes, it’s expensive and it shouldn’t be.
Thank you. And well that’s all fine and good to hope and imagine, but I’ve been trying to actively change things for the past 20 years through socialist organizing. Goes well sometimes, goes poorly most of the time, gotta keep trying anyway .
I’d like to see unions come back. I’d also like to see more people push a communist party.
Things are better when there isn’t an echo chamber and people have to compromise to get things done.
While I don’t agree with many of the core ideas; the changes would be good for our country.
I’ve seen the middle class decline and both parties are guilty because looking in a mirror they’re not that different.
So keep pushing; you’re doing the lords work(just an expression) and every bit helps.