Wait…so these are your examples of people who “did something”
Do you realize that the edge every single one of these companies had over the others is the willingness to do whatever it takes to extract as much value from labor for the least amount of money, right?
You are just making the case for the complete destruction of capitalism. Only soulless psychopaths are rewarded here. Winning is not beating these people at the same psychotic game that they’re playing.
I don’t buy into that lame beta theory of extracting labor. You’re paid for your labor. If you don’t feel you are paid enough, quit. It’s that simple. That is the beauty of capitalism. I can sell my labor for what I see fit.
This is the reasoning that leads to “if you think medicines are too expensive, stop buying them” with much the same problem of it not being quite that simple for the majority of humanity, whose “choices” are not as unconstrained as the ones you’re familiar with.
It’s just how the world works. You want a job. they offer X, you want Y. Don’t take it until they offer Y. If they don’t offer it, then go somewhere else. Unless you live in a communist country, the worker always has the advantage as there are more jobs than people.
I know you deleted your earlier nonsense, but I saw some of it first, so I know how out of touch you are. You were wrong about how much wealth people have, but even after having that corrected, here you are with “It’s just how the world works”, another incorrect assertion that might describe your experience of the world, but is unrepresentative for humanity as a whole.
Most people don’t have the luxuries you so clearly take for granted. Turning down exploitative employment is only an option for those with money in reserve. Most people do not have that. Going somewhere else means separation from family and friends—easy enough for the thoroughly unlikable, but community is important to most members of a social species. And, anyway, that’s assuming there aren’t legal restrictions like immigration controls. As I said before, most lives are more constrained than yours, and that isn’t because those people are any less deserving. That is how the world works.
That capitalism unobstructed by public regulations, cartels, monopolies, oligopolies, effective trade unions, cultural inhibitions or kinship obligations is the ultimate engine of economic growth is an old-hat truth
so it’s not commie propaganda. But it might relieve you of some of your misconceptions, since you clearly aren’t listening to us here. Of course, you could just carry on regardless, but then it’ll be just far too clear that you’re not acting in good faith.
Everyone in America has the same luxuries I have in taking or not taking a job. The Constitution and the laws of the united states codify it. You can’t force someone to take a job they don’t want to take. It’s that simple.
I have no misconceptions at all. For my theory to be incorrect, you would have to show where people are forced to take employment they do not want to take.
Not bad faith at all. It is how jobs work in a capitalist society. We don’t allow slave labor like communism does. Everyone is free to take a job or not take a job.
I can’t force someone to take a job, but I can starve them until they do. And I can make it illegal for them to acquire food in any way that isn’t engaging with my system of capitalism.
No one cares if you “buy into” anything. It exists whether you believe it or not.
The entire point of keeping unemployment at certain levels is so capitalists can dictate wages and responsibilities. It’s not a secret. Bourgeois media openly panics whenever unemployment levels get too low.
No, it doesn’t exist because you claim it’s true. It’s just silly talk. It is word vomit. I am paid for the work I do and the value I create. If I don’t like their offer, I can go somewhere else and make more. I control what I want to make.
That is how the real world works. I tell them what i want. They can either pay it or someone else will. I am good at what I do, and it’s known in the industry I am worth what I ask. I have never had anyone tell me no.
This is how the real world work. Only in communism do you have to take what’s offered. Here you can refuse and negotiate your own wage.
You can’t refuse that because it’s the truth. If I want 150 an hour. I won’t take less than that. I don’t need their job. They need me. I don’t need them.
I try to tell myself that most of the people bought into capitalism can be rehabilitated, maybe some just need to spend a few years breaking rocks to get it through their heads that other people fucking exist on this planet.
Reading your comments has made me re-evaluate that
There is nothing to rehabilitate. It is a solid system where people can flourish. It’s why people flee communism to come to America. The quality of life is just that much better.
I don’t buy into that lame beta theory of gravity. You go down. If you don’t feel like going down, go up. It’s that simple. That is the beauty of jumping. I can jump as high as I want
Tesla is not close to bigger than GM. They only make consumer vehicles and maybe a model of semi truck but I don’t think that’s being produced yet, while GM has been making consumer cars in addition to commercial and military vehicles for decades. They might be valued as more but that doesn’t really say anything in practical terms.
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We were talking about worker-owned companies, none of those are worker-owned companies and therefore don’t actually refute anything.
Massive inefficient redundancies that ended up making rich people money and hurting the poor? Yeah, fuck that.
Wait…so these are your examples of people who “did something”
Do you realize that the edge every single one of these companies had over the others is the willingness to do whatever it takes to extract as much value from labor for the least amount of money, right?
You are just making the case for the complete destruction of capitalism. Only soulless psychopaths are rewarded here. Winning is not beating these people at the same psychotic game that they’re playing.
I don’t buy into that lame beta theory of extracting labor. You’re paid for your labor. If you don’t feel you are paid enough, quit. It’s that simple. That is the beauty of capitalism. I can sell my labor for what I see fit.
This is the reasoning that leads to “if you think medicines are too expensive, stop buying them” with much the same problem of it not being quite that simple for the majority of humanity, whose “choices” are not as unconstrained as the ones you’re familiar with.
It’s just how the world works. You want a job. they offer X, you want Y. Don’t take it until they offer Y. If they don’t offer it, then go somewhere else. Unless you live in a communist country, the worker always has the advantage as there are more jobs than people.
I know you deleted your earlier nonsense, but I saw some of it first, so I know how out of touch you are. You were wrong about how much wealth people have, but even after having that corrected, here you are with “It’s just how the world works”, another incorrect assertion that might describe your experience of the world, but is unrepresentative for humanity as a whole.
Most people don’t have the luxuries you so clearly take for granted. Turning down exploitative employment is only an option for those with money in reserve. Most people do not have that. Going somewhere else means separation from family and friends—easy enough for the thoroughly unlikable, but community is important to most members of a social species. And, anyway, that’s assuming there aren’t legal restrictions like immigration controls. As I said before, most lives are more constrained than yours, and that isn’t because those people are any less deserving. That is how the world works.
I’m going to suggest you read the article “Why Fascism is the Wave of the Future” by Edward Luttwak. Don’t worry, it’s just a warning, and it starts:—
so it’s not commie propaganda. But it might relieve you of some of your misconceptions, since you clearly aren’t listening to us here. Of course, you could just carry on regardless, but then it’ll be just far too clear that you’re not acting in good faith.
Everyone in America has the same luxuries I have in taking or not taking a job. The Constitution and the laws of the united states codify it. You can’t force someone to take a job they don’t want to take. It’s that simple. I have no misconceptions at all. For my theory to be incorrect, you would have to show where people are forced to take employment they do not want to take.
Bad faith it is, then. Got it.
Not bad faith at all. It is how jobs work in a capitalist society. We don’t allow slave labor like communism does. Everyone is free to take a job or not take a job.
The rich and the poor are equally free to sleep under a bridge at night.
Everybody is equally free to turn down a job when they need money for food, housing, medical care and other necessities of basic life.
I can’t force someone to take a job, but I can starve them until they do. And I can make it illegal for them to acquire food in any way that isn’t engaging with my system of capitalism.
proof
Just because you say you enjoy the taste of shoe polish doesn’t mean you’re not a pathetic bootlicker.
You sound so effeminate when you say that. I would feel sad for you, but your statement does that for you. Bootlicker. lol… jesus that is lame.
You sound extraordinarily misogynistic and insecure when you say that. Got some Jordan Peterson books in your mancave, bucko?
Dude, I am still cracking up over boot licker. That is some funny stuff. Did you use your big boy voice when you said that?
The more you try to claim you’re totally not enraged and everything is le funny to you, the more enraged you sound.
I’m not enraged at all. I’m quite amused. That’s the most beta male crap I’ve ever heard. I just can’t take anything you seriously after that.
No one cares if you “buy into” anything. It exists whether you believe it or not.
The entire point of keeping unemployment at certain levels is so capitalists can dictate wages and responsibilities. It’s not a secret. Bourgeois media openly panics whenever unemployment levels get too low.
No, it doesn’t exist because you claim it’s true. It’s just silly talk. It is word vomit. I am paid for the work I do and the value I create. If I don’t like their offer, I can go somewhere else and make more. I control what I want to make.
Right sure you do. I definitely believe you.
You can believe whatever you want but that doesn’t change how the real world works outside your head.
That is how the real world works. I tell them what i want. They can either pay it or someone else will. I am good at what I do, and it’s known in the industry I am worth what I ask. I have never had anyone tell me no.
Sure, if that’s even true, then good for you.
Again, you can believe whatever you want but that doesn’t change how the real world works outside your head.
This is how the real world work. Only in communism do you have to take what’s offered. Here you can refuse and negotiate your own wage.
You can’t refuse that because it’s the truth. If I want 150 an hour. I won’t take less than that. I don’t need their job. They need me. I don’t need them.
I try to tell myself that most of the people bought into capitalism can be rehabilitated, maybe some just need to spend a few years breaking rocks to get it through their heads that other people fucking exist on this planet.
Reading your comments has made me re-evaluate that
There is nothing to rehabilitate. It is a solid system where people can flourish. It’s why people flee communism to come to America. The quality of life is just that much better.
I already know you’re an insufferable lib you don’t need to dig the hole any deeper
Sure…umm… yeah I am a liberal.
glad we agree, now please face the wall:
Just know that the only reason people in your personal life feign looking you is because of your money, without that you’d be friendless
I don’t buy into that lame beta theory of gravity. You go down. If you don’t feel like going down, go up. It’s that simple. That is the beauty of jumping. I can jump as high as I want
The problem with notable examples is that they’re pretty much never representative examples.
Tesla is not close to bigger than GM. They only make consumer vehicles and maybe a model of semi truck but I don’t think that’s being produced yet, while GM has been making consumer cars in addition to commercial and military vehicles for decades. They might be valued as more but that doesn’t really say anything in practical terms.
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Bubbles are fun.