Lebanon’s health minister has said what is happening in his country is “carnage”, as hospitals struggle to cope with the number of casualties from two days of widespread Israeli air strikes targeting the armed group Hezbollah.
Dr Firass Abiad told the BBC it was “clear” that many of the 550 people killed in Monday’s attacks were civilians, including children and women.
Hey let’s vote for the lady whose party wants to sell Israel more weapons!
Facts:
Not voting for is the best strategy. If everyone who was dissatisfied would stop voting, there would be more progress than continuing to choose the “lesser of two evils” (who happily enable and cheer for genocide, BTW)
This is just incorrect mathematically. I get the argument - in foreign policy both parties ARE fascists. But they are not equal. Especially internally they are not. But there is a huge difference in ideology between liberals and fascists, and one of them is much worse, and much harder for revolution or reform.
I believe there are only two reasons for your position: 1. is you stick to principles absolutely, refusing to acknowledge the consequences of your actions - which is wrong and stupid. 2. You believe in accelerationism and believe Trump leading to collapse of the US empire faster is the better outcome.
Neither has to do with ideology. I’d love someone to explain how an actual fascism is a better outcome than a neoliberalism or “capitalism-in-decline” fascism. This is simply about outcome and using the little power we have.
Another consequence of this tactic of arguing for not-voting is that it creates a rift between mainstream and socialists or “tankies”. The actual fascists love that.
Liberals are fascists 🤷
“The best strategy is to stay silent on Gaza. Because if everyone is silent on Gaza, then politicians would be forced to ask us: Hey, what are you thinking about Gaza?”
Of course the Silent Treatment strategy won’t work. Refusing to vote is the same strategy.
OK well tell me about Michigan Arabs and how much power they are holding in this election.
If not voting is so powerless then why are you all so upset about the idea of people not voting?
Oh just fuck all the way off with this bullshit, you absolute fucking child.
Are you angry because they are right? Neither Kamala nor Trump plan to stop the weapon shipments and support for Israel.
No, try again.
Then why are you angry?
Because I’m tired of reading shit takes by people who are either getting paid to post their nonsense or are so fucking stupid that they’re doing it for free.
Would you rather I stop posting here and vote for Trump instead?
Is genocide OK because Biden and then kamala Harris will be letting it happen?
You don’t like being reminded that you are going to vote for genocide enablers?
Who’s the child???
How does it feel to be a tool? A useful idiot for people who want to destroy your way of life?
Look how angry you are at a stranger on the internet! 😂
And the other party won’t?
Exactly, so don’t vote
Kamala has openly stated in the debate that she believes the only way is a two-state solution. Whether that’s realistic or not, it’s a pretty strong statement, and there’s some hope on the horizon. Unless until she actually gets to do anything, da Joe will sleep through the conflict turning into the entire region being nuked to the ground by the IDF.
Fix your fuckin democracy already instead of posting trump bad memes on lemmy.
She said that but then she had a private meeting with Netanyahu. She is a coward who didn’t show up the day he was addressing Congress so that she wouldn’t have to be seen clapping for him
If Dems lose this election (they probably won’t) it would be in large part because of her party’s cowardly stance on the Palestine issue and continuing fealty to Israel.
Hey, let’s consider more than a single issue.
If Democrats see Gazan children as totally expendable, what makes you think they see anybody else differently?
You don’t care about anyone in Gaza. If you did, you would stop being so fucking obtuse and accept that what you are doing is directly contributing to a possible Trump victory. An outcome that will mean literal extinction of the Palestinian people.
And I don’t mean these “is it or is it not genocide? I don’t know! 😉” games. You’re gonna find out real quick what extermination of an entire ethnic group actually means, and by posting shit like this you are directly contributing to that outcome.
And you’re gonna have to live with that.
(All of this is giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are actually a real person who wants to end the genocide but are simply misguided about how elections work in the US)
OK so I should vote for the people who quietly stand by and let weapon manufacturers profit from genocide? Who now Israel invade Lebanon? They are so ethical and deserving of my vote.
How do you even know Trump would cause extinction of Palestinians??? That’s pure speculation while the current people in power are actually letting war crimes happen
Yeah dude only one way to find out, right?
You are a fucking fool.
Meanwhile the US just gave an 8.7bn dollar package to Israel to continue killing Gazan and now Lebanese children with terror methods like the pager attack.
But Trump will somehow be worse? So I should support the people who are complicit in what’s going on now?
No I refuse
Let’s elect the old man that barrages AI slop and all caps posts on his socials eighty times a day
I won’t vote at all
Trump winning would be hilarious though, watching liberals melt down after justifying genocide for a year
Not participating in your own governance is the worst idea imaginable. I’d rather someone vote third party than proudly not voting at all tbh. Theres some socialists on some ballots that could use your tally for their numbers games at the very least.
Voting is the easiest, least frequent form of participating in democracy
Not voting is a valid democratic choice until they give us a choice that includes “none of the above” on every ballot race
It’s not on me, it’s on the candidates and parties to court my vote. They don’t even bother 🤷
Not voting gets to systemic change. Voting tells the system that you’re satisfied with its current form
Complete backwards logic in an electoral democacry. You must vote. If you only show up to vote for president and you aren’t fist fucking your local elections like its going out of style (by your comment it seems to be) then you aren’t participating in your own governance and allowing others to decide for you. Not voting is how we got here, because that allows unpopular people and ideas the privilege of no competition. Not voting is how you get your rights taken away.
Address each point?
You MUST NOT vote. If you don’t like the choice then you have freedom to abstain
You can vote in local elections and abstain from races in which you don’t like the choices. I firmly believe we need “none of the above” on all ballot races
Participation in government is not only limited to voting. See my Point 1 in the previous comment. If anything, insistence on voting as the be-all-end-all allows people to ignore the actual hard work of democratic responsibilities
“unpopular ideas get no competition” is logically false. If both choices are unpopular or unsatisfactory, the ideas are competing against the threat of losing the race due to apathetic voters
What rights have ever been gained by voting? In the US, pretty much every positive social and legislative change came via collective direct organization and action and/or threat of violence (if not actual violence).
Your talking points are tired, illogical, and smack of received wisdom rather than coming from a deliberately thought-out set of ideas and understanding of the world.
I ask you this: How do you know I will vote how you want me to vote?
I dont. But you should partake in your government. I’m not answering all your points. Go ahead and dont vote. But dont go around convincing people that the only way to win is not to play. Thats exactly how you surrender in this sort of system. You can propose shit and get it ratified as well, but abstaining from voting in elections outside of party primaries as a protest means nothing when most of the country doesnt do it anyway.
Actually, voting for the “lesser evil” is how we got into those mess and how it will continue
We need serious and deep election reforms in our country. These parties are trash. “Less evil” is still evil. You’ll look the other way for the next four years while Gazans continue to die from American bullets
Don’t vote! It feels great!
You completely misunderstand politics.
Voters aren’t consumers. Politicians aren’t companies trying to maximize market share. All they need is 51% of the people who actually vote. If you don’t vote, then you literally aren’t part of the equation.
“It’s on parties to court my vote” is like “It’s on Starbucks to court my filling out a comment card”. Starbucks doesn’t care at all if you fill out a comment card or not. They just want the people who do fill them out to write positive comments.
This is totally illogical and you know it. And your Starbucks gift card “metaphor” is a complete false equivalence.
Why do parties run campaigns if their job isn’t convince voters? Billions of dollars and endless hours of research are spent courting votes but you say it’s not their job and they don’t care? Wha???
On the bright side, liberals would finally oppose the genocide!
🤔🤔🤔