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SphereofWreckening@ttrpg.network · edit-2 3 months ago

That Christian Nationalist USA is already present. It’s emboldening is inevitable due to the inaction from Democrats and especially Biden: the alleged “moderate” president.

Biden is also actively arming a genocide in Gaza. A move I would say is extremely far from moderate in any position. Trump is a horrible choice for president. It was true in 2016 and it’s true now. But if Biden refuses to do even the barest of minimums to defeat him in an election what does that say about Biden?

So sure, call it smugness, call it idiotic or whatever bullshit; continue to vilify those tired of voting for bullshit candidates and inaction. I’m sure that will help prove your point; as Biden does literally nothing to combat any of increasingly tense situations rising in the US under his tenure.

LongMember69@lemmy.world · 3 months ago

Please don’t misunderstand me: I’m not thrilled about the situation either.

But I’m also not going to coddle anyone that thinks making things significantly worse for untold millions to maintain some kind of ideological purity makes them somehow superior or less culpable.

SphereofWreckening@ttrpg.network · 3 months ago

I wouldn’t water opposing genocide down to “ideological purity”. It’s opposing genocide, and that’s objectively right every time.

And that’s before getting into Joe’s inaction on pretty much any important issues during his term. If Trump wins the 2024 election then outside of the GOP that’s entirely on Joe Biden for failing to oppose genocide and run any sort of compelling administration.

LongMember69@lemmy.world · 3 months ago

The reality of the shitty political system of the US means that it comes down to two bad choices.

However one of the bad choices would see the genocide of the Palestinian people accelerated. Not only that, but Trump has tried to oppose aid to Ukraine, which would allow for genocide of the Ukrainian people to occur unabated.

So if your actions to oppose one genocide results in the continuation of that genocide plus one more, is what you did objectively right every time?

SphereofWreckening@ttrpg.network · 3 months ago

Yes, it is still objectively right. Anyone deciding not to vote for Biden isn’t automatically culpable for any Trump victory unless they voted for him personally.

Again, Biden has had plenty of time to prove that he’s against genocide. To take any sort of major action to try and stop this genocide from continuing the way that it has. Or at the very least taking away all US funding from Israel. He has done none of that while approving additional military funding for Israel.

This is of course before bringing up the electoral college and how the majority of states don’t even get a say in the presidential election outside of their states predetermined answer.

I will not vote for anyone funding genocide. Again, if Trump wins that’s entirely on Biden and the Democrats for failing to do anything. The signs have been here for months if not years in terms of voter disatisfaction: and they continue to do fuck all.

LongMember69@lemmy.world · 3 months ago

Yes, it is still objectively right. Anyone deciding not to vote for Biden isn’t automatically culpable for any Trump victory unless they voted for him personally.

This is an incredibly naïve and privileged perspective, clearly held by someone who has nothing to lose if Trump were to win.

SphereofWreckening@ttrpg.network · 3 months ago

I’m actively watching the rights of my loved one literally be stripped away while Biden does fuck all. You can call me whatever you want, but the point remains that Biden has done fuck all and is actively promoting genocide.

You don’t know the first thing about me; so don’t condescend to me while ignoring everything else I’ve said.

whoreticulture@lemmy.world · 3 months ago

Biden is president now and trans kids rights are being taken away, black people still disproportionately victimized by police violence, asylum seeking immigrants turned away at the border, and we are funding genocide!!!

It’s naive to think that Biden and the Democratic Party has any incentive to change their policies when people will blindly vote them in no matter what they do.

Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social · 3 months ago

All the anarkiddies that think the revolution is right around the bend forget that the reason vulnerable groups dont typically get any better treatment post revolution is bc they are the first to be destroyed when the revolution kicks up and the fascists double down.

These sorts of takes kill me. There is nothing stopping you from taking revolutionary courses of action right fucking now. The doors wide fucking open. Youll find that those doors will inch closed real fucking quick under trump.

The Spanish anarchists still have a political party active in Spain whose history runs right back to the civil war in which they fought. The very second of their posted tenets is (paraphrasing), making conditions under the current agenda more tolerable.

Meanwhile, russia has a single communist party formed in the 90s. Why? Bc all others were singularly crushed. They left the one that offers least opposition to the status quo.

That situation hasnt arrived yet. You are free to organize, you are free to aggregate in groups. You can spread your own propaganda, just as you can form or join labor unions, and you are free to try and create new communities of mutual aid. Those are all viable (read: necessary) steps to take.

Good luck taking them when the boot comes crashing down harder than this country has ever seen or was ever prepared for. Voting for Status Quo Joe isnt an endorsement of him, his policies, or the neoliberal status quo. Its just that, a vote. You can use it strategically to buy more time to make evasive maneuvers, or u can forfeit ur vote and lose it all. Then theres always throw it to the dogs via third party the way the american libertarians tried in 2012 when ron paul didnt get the repub nom the way they wanted. Guess what happened then… Johnson still get way under the 5% of the vote needed to give third parties greater tv time next time around. And this time, if dump wins, thats probably going to be the last ur able to vote for a third party president anyway.

We (the left) have been hit by foreign astroturfing the way the right was in 2016. The influx of youth that was supposed to save us by their leftward skew is running away from the political process bc they think theyre going to be revolutionaries. Sorry boys and girls, anarchy/communism wont be brought about by memes, sitting at home, or pretending that you can convince ppl to join ur cause after trumps elected when their lives are going to be all the more consumed and their free time dwindles away as we all work heavier and heavier hrs and the retirement age slips further and further away.

Really sick of hearing it all.

Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 months ago

These sorts of takes kill me.

Literally me.

Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social · 3 months ago

Woke up for my graveyard shift and amongst the tankies crying about facts in my inbox i at least had this to make me laugh. Thanks bae <3

hoosierHillPowderedCheese@midwest.social · 3 months ago

Voting for Status Quo Joe isnt an endorsement of him, his policies, or the neoliberal status quo.

that’s what a vote is.

Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social · 3 months ago

It is a strategic decision. Same as the past however many elections.

For the first time 2 years ago, however, i got the opportunity to vote for a candidate that i actually really liked to represent my voting district. And guess what, she won! My vote for her wasnt my endorsement of her, however. My spamming her name and cause to anyone in the area that would listen and donating money was.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese@midwest.social · 3 months ago

if dump wins, thats probably going to be the last ur able to vote for a third party president anyway.

there is no reason to believe this. he has never suggested animosity toward so-called third parties.

Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social · 3 months ago

Project 2025 is a thing, it is backed by the federalist society. What third parties remain will be the equivalent of the same in russia.

hoosierHillPowderedCheese@midwest.social · 3 months ago

reason vulnerable groups dont typically get any better treatment post revolution is bc they are the first to be destroyed when the revolution kicks up and the fascists double down.

citation needed