• BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    Well, you never saw an attack of this scale in the West Bank, where the IDF does have an extremely thorough presence. And you never saw this happen before the IDF withdrew from Gaza.

    So, yes, you have sarcastically arrived at a true solution. Well done.

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        It’s amazing that people can see Apartheid and how it ended and never question Palestinian actions. Apartheid ended because there was a belief in a peaceful future. There’s no Mandela in Palestine that can convince the Israeli’s that giving up power would lead to peace. And after a 20 year experiment in self rule in Gaza failed; it’s hard to see the alternative.

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            The problem is that there’s no peaceful organization saying “yes two state solution” or “yes one integrated, non-religious state”.

            Weaker violence only works if there’s a weaker peaceful option.

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                11 months ago

                I think you mean PLA.

                And the PLA has rejected all 2 state solution offers, pays out a fund to the families of killed terrorists (including Hamas’ and is just as corrupt if not more corrupt than Hamas. Endorsed the 10/7 attacks. They’re not a potential partner for peace and have proven it over the last 40 years or so.

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          Like the other guy said, what ended Apartheid was the ANC’s violent resistance and international pressure.

          Also the “experiment” in Gaza failed because Israel has blockaded Gaza exactly as long as Gaza has had self-rule (both started in September 2005). The Gazan economy was dependent on using the income from agricultural exports to import food and other life necessities. Then Israel came and just said no you can’t do that.

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            Also the “experiment” in Gaza failed because Israel has blockaded Gaza

            The world’s largest ever suicide bombing campaign started that blockade. And two decades of indiscriminate rocket fire kept it going.

            The Iron Dome isn’t magic. It can only intercept so many projectiles. No blockade and Gaza is recoccuoied in 2008.

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              And two decades of indiscriminate rocket fire kept it going.

              Then why wasn’t it lifted in 2008 or 2013? Israel signed ceasefires with Hamas then that stipulated the blockade would be lifted, and even though Hamas followed their end of the ceasefire it wasn’t lifted.

              Also, then what was the “experiment” you were talking about? Whether a strip of land dependent on foreign trade can survive when cut off from the outside world?

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                Because they kept firing rockets. 2008

                During the initial week of the ceasefire, Islamic Jihad militants fired rockets on Israel. Under pressure from Hamas, Islamic Jihad had agreed to abide by the temporary truce, which was meant to apply only to Gaza, but had balked at the idea of not responding to Israeli military actions in the West Bank. The New York Times reported that the Islamic Jihad action broke the Hamas-Israeli Gaza truce.[3] During the next 5 months of the ceasefire, Gazan attacks decreased significantly for a total of 19 rocket and 18 mortar shell launchings,[3][4] compared to 1199 rockets and 1072 mortar shells in 2008 up to 19 June, a reduction of 98%.[5]

                Pretty sure. A similar thing happened in 2013 too.

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                  The ceasefire demanded that Hamas police other groups to prevent them from firing rockets. They did. Do you understand the numbers you’re reading? 19 rockets is basically a rounding error, and could’ve been reduced further had Israel actually followed its end of the deal.

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                    11 months ago

                    Israel did lower the intensity of it’s blockade. That was the deal a gradual removal of the blockade.