From Opium to Meth i see… Man just grow weed guys.
Or food
Nah you cant smoke food.
I disagree. Smoked food is delicious.
How the fuck do you smoke a Bread?
You rip off small pieces, roll it in paper and light it.
Didn’t work, just made Toast…
You can’t really export food if you live there. Food in general doesn’t even travel that far since it has all these special requirements. Yeah yeah you have some fruit from halfway across the world, good for you. The milk, eggs, and bread you are eating is a different story. Farmers need a good transportation network and a market that needs what they grow. Drugs are much more shelf stable and the price per unit is much higher.
Well you can still grow food for yourself which is great except it doesn’t give you cold hard currency. Currency you might need if say you plan to be able to deal with a bad growing system.
Afghan Black hash used to be the primo cannabis
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Who would they sell it to? If I smoked every single day I am betting it would take me a month just to try once everything my walking distance dispensary has to sell me.
But lemmygrad told me that CIA grew all of those drugs. Who can I trust anymore.
Obviously those are CIA agents dressed up as Afghans in Afghanistan.
But that’s haram. Tsk tsk tsk. I bet the Taliban thinks as long as they sell it to non-Muslims it’s fine and dandy.
Extremists never care about adhering to their own rules. Those are just a tool to oppress and control their victims.
That’s true. But the “as long as you only do it to infidels” is an excuse that has been used by Muslims for centuries and not just the extremist kind.
Sure bud, it’s literally explicitly haram to make, ship, handle, and sell intoxicants. Doesn’t matter who the end user is. Don’t think for a second that this is something that “Muslims” excuse.
Appreciate you pointing this out
Anytime, I’ve noticed that the level of misinformation on Muslims is way higher on Lemmy that it was on Reddit 😞
Reddit taught me that correcting people on misinformation on Islam is a waste of time. I remember an argument I had with some dickhead where he called me “bonkers” for being Muslim, citing only the most inhumane behaviors and mindests that could loosely be attributed to the faith
In the same sentence they’ll go from acknowledging that muslim != extremist, right back to generalizing about the whole belief system.
I just wish they’d fucking internalize some of the lessons they’re given and allow it to temper their bigotry.
Interesting, but the piece says wine in English, not intoxicants. Is Wine not correct translation?
The Arabic term used in that Hadith is ‘Khamr’, which is a catch-all term for intoxicant (defined as something that clouds the mind/judgement in Islam). In that time period, the most common khamr was wine/alcohol which is why it mentions pressing [grapes]. This is further clarified in other Ahadith Like this one. This is a common issue when translating classical Arabic, as a lot of common terms back then are not as specific as our modern terms and cannot easily be translated 1:1.
OK, to bad the translation doesn’t reflect that better.
With religious texts there are often a great deal of interpretation, so whether it is used for good or bad often depends on interpretation.
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OK I see it is in the next paragraph, I just didn’t read on the first time.
Reminds me of the prison part of American History X
Smart, this way they won’t even have to think about how to evade sanctions.
God damn imagine being cranked in the middle of freaking Afghanistan, I remember one night in my younger years walking out of a club after being om that shit and my literal skin was steaming. Like people were coming up to me and asking if I was okay, I can’t imagine being in that heat on that
I mean I can’t imagine living there sober.
Afghanistan has used this strategy for a long time to cope with isolation from legitimate parts of the world economy.
Is narcoterrorism still considered a thing in current year? This has to be more an export industry thing rather than a geopolitical disabilisation force multiplier thing, right?
How about both?
Yeah, that’s fair
Lmao based Afghanistan
Meth would be less harmful to society if we legalized it.
Idk it is very very addicting. And the addictive feeling lasts a very long time
You aren’t thinking of all the cartels and various criminal outfits that could be bankrupt because of that.
Well, I guess the alternative is to keep it illegal and live with what we have now.
I like the idea that life sucks so much that meth makes it better and the answer to that isn’t to try to improve lives but to lock people up so life is even fuckin worse.
Yep. It’s all a tool to control the masses.
I just don’t see how it would be less harmful since it is so addictive
Making it illegal doesn’t stop people from getting addicted to it.
I get what you’re saying, but I completely disagree. Making it a illegal limits the amount of people who try meth, which fundamentally limits how many people get addicted to it.
Does it really limit the amount of people who try it?
Looks to me like people resort to drug abuse when their lives are miserable. Seems like the best way to ‘limit’ the people who abuse drugs is to improve their lives without them.
Seems like all the money spent enforcing drug laws would be better spent improving society. And it’s a lot of money.
I do agree with you, but there’s a group of people who have almost anything we as a society place value on, and yet they still go to meth/other drugs. Sure, the average homeless drug addict on the street fits your description well, but even then there’s some who developed addiction due to medical problems, and only then went to street drugs, and the aforementioned ‘depressed rich kid’.
Yeah, meth is much much addictive than your average drug.
People don’t try it because they’re down or miserable.
And trying it is basically how you get addicted
As a recovered addict, making it legal would effect the drug dealers and cartels much more than the users. This would remove some harm from society. I believe the larger solution is to provide help those that abuse it. Legalizing it on top of treatment instead of persecution would be optimal for most drugs, although meth is a hard sell (pun definitely intended).
I’m for approaching drug problems with harm reduction and I think that with opiates handing them out for free under controlled circumstances and with access to therapeutic help a lot of the problems caused by them will be negated or vastly reduced but with stims I’m a little more sceptical.
Safe use is always good but I’m not sure that general access to them will bring more good than bad in this world.Good point. I’m not sure either.
I think the scientific approach would be best applied here. Let’s legalize them so we can experience what it’s like. Right now, we only really have information pertaining to prohibition.
If I’m wrong, I’d have no problem admitting it. The problem is that all we can do is speculate, because we can’t seem to test any of this.
Portugal did this. scientific paper about it overall the effects are positive from what over heard. (Haven’t actually read that paper, but I didn’t want to site a randomly googled news article.)
